Increase in Lime Bikes on LL

[ab29]

1 minute ago, first mate said:

Watching scrutiny sessions is the best way of determining what might happen. Southwark do have concerns about Lime and these have been articulated in meetings, but Lime are holding out one big fat carrot, which is funding infrastructure for hybrid use. It's going to be hard for the cash-strapped council -allegedly, except when it's Vanity Square and its Indian import paving- to turn that offer down.

Cash strapped? Or is it complete mismanagement and money waste

[gebbjane]

Totally shocked by the number of Lime bikes at Sainsburys this afternoon (match Day).

The bikes were completely blocking the footpath from the bus stop to the shop - wish the users were not so inconsiderate.  Whilst waiting for my bus had to help one elderly lady get round with her shopping trolly bag. 

[ab29]

It is completely out of control  - the bike companies dump bikes anywhere they want. Nothing stopping people dumping them anywhere they want also.

Lime is owned by American company - why on earth American billionaires are allowed to hijack whatever little public space is left in London?

Picture attached is next to Old Vic.

 

Edited November 10, 2024 by ab29

[ab29]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is embarassing to have guests in London - as if it wasn't already dirty and polluted enough 🤔

Edited Saturday at 18:48 by ab29

[first mate]

It will get worse as Lime bike use increases. Coming to a footpath or public space near you soon!

[march46]

On 09/11/2024 at 16:29, gebbjane said:

Totally shocked by the number of Lime bikes at Sainsburys this afternoon (match Day).

The bikes were completely blocking the footpath from the bus stop to the shop - wish the users were not so inconsiderate.  Whilst waiting for my bus had to help one elderly lady get round with her shopping trolly bag. 

Perhaps Sainsburys could repurpose just a small % of the high number of car parking spaces for hire E-bikes. It’s clearly an increasingly popular way to travel.

[ab29]

1 hour ago, march46 said:

Perhaps Sainsburys could repurpose just a small % of the high number of car parking spaces for hire E-bikes. It’s clearly an increasingly popular way to travel.

Eh?

[first mate]

if only Lime bike users could be trusted to park their vehicles somewhere responsibly, all the evidence so far is not.

Plus, given these are often used for short  journeys (maybe to pick up a latte- who knows) I doubt many would be prepared to walk the distance to or from Sainsbury's car park. By and large, the e-bike 'revolution' feels quite anti pedestrian.

[malumbu]

You are speaking as if Lime bike users are (a) a homogenous group and (b) from another planet.  What is really sad about this forum is the sea of negativity.

Hire bikes serve a really useful purpose.  And I am not a user.

[first mate]

e-bike users are a group that errr use e-bikes. I make conclusion based on what I see or hear about user behaviour. There is currently no reliable data, although this is exactly what the council should be producing.

Also, can we please get a break from your faux sadness. If all this is genuinely affecting your mood then I respectfully suggest you give less time to it.

[snowy]

3 hours ago, first mate said:

if only Lime bike users could be trusted to park their vehicles somewhere responsibly, all the evidence so far is not..

Please, as clearly an expert user tell us - what do you need to do to end a lime bike ride on their app?

[first mate]

As a cycling advocate, how can we get hire e- bike users to stop dumping their bikes and blocking pedestrian access?

[snowy]

Please answer my question first. 

[first mate]

Deflection. This is about how hire e-bikes are dumped after use; only you have framed me as an "expert user". I have not made that claim, you have.  Are you seriously suggesting that unless I discuss how to use a Lime bike app, I am not qualified to comment on how e-bike riders behave? Another example of how you cycling advocates try to turn a serious issue into a game.

Edited Sunday at 08:24 by first mate

[malumbu]

A photo of Oxford, not sure when, this was a common sight when I lived in the area many years ago.  What did I think, wow, all those students cycling, all those cars not on the road.  I'm sure there were grumpy people gnashing their teeth.

[first mate]

Further deflection and 'gaming' of this thread. Not local, not e-bikes, not relevant. Plus not remotely interested in Malumbu's interior monologues.

Back on subject. No thoughts, as yet, on how to get e-bike users to stop dumping their two wheeled vehicles irresponsibly, blocking pedestrian access.

[malumbu]

Very relevant.  Piles of bikes.  I see this as a good thing.  Up to local and national government, users and the company to sort it out.  I'm simply pointing out that a number of you always post negative things.  From my understanding users have to park Lime bikes responsibly, and take a photo.  I don't know why the system is failing.  I expect it can and will be sorted out.  Why don't you write to the Transport Secretary and report back?

[first mate]

I would like to see Southwark's massive parking surplus reinvested in proper monitoring of e-bike impacts, locally. They have rolled out lots of TMOs around e-bike use but there seems little evidence of monitoring or data, so far.

As CPZ increase so will use of patrolling parking wardens. We need to find a way for those who park e-bikes irresponsibly to be identified and fined, much as we would someone parking a car badly. This may involve sharing data between the hire company or registration outfit and Southwark. It is not enough to leave the issue of penalties to the hire company as their commercial interests will always supersede other considerations.

[snowy]

3 hours ago, first mate said:

Deflection. This is about how hire e-bikes are dumped after use; only you have framed me as an "expert user". I have not made that claim, you have.  Are you seriously suggesting that unless I discuss how to use a Lime bike app, I am not qualified to comment on how e-bike riders behave? Another example of how you cycling advocates try to turn a serious issue into a game.

It's clearly not deflection to ask for your answer before answering your question. It's just politeness.
 

My point was that you evidently haven't hired a lime bike.

To end the contract you have to upload a photograph of the bike parked upright in a safe position. They're geofenced to prevent them from being parked in prohibited areas.

Unless the photo is approved then the hire stays live and you continue paying until its parked in a way that meets their t&c's.

If you leave it lying on the ground you can't just walk away. Or you can but you would end up being charged hundreds of pounds and lose your lime account.
 

Rows of bikes lying in their side have been pushed over. 

[Cancerian]

This was a big ad on the back of the Southwark News this week!

[Penguin68]

4 hours ago, malumbu said:

A photo of Oxford, not sure when, this was a common sight when I lived in the area many years ago.  What did I think, wow, all those students cycling, all those cars not on the road. 

That photograph was taken in the Broad Street, relatively recently I'm guessing, which is now almost a traffic free zone (and, by the way, lives up to its name as Broad). The area is made up of Oxford Colleges, University Buildings and a few shops (including the original Oxfam shop) and a cafe or two. Such a plethora of parked bikes is not a common sight in streets in Oxford, although most students do have and use bikes (and did when I was up, when The Broad had cars parked round it and also in two lanes in the centre of it, before it was mainly pedestrianised). In my day students were not allowed to own cars until their second year.

Oxford City council is notorious as being even more anti-car than Southwark (strange when you think the City's worth stemmed in part from Morris Motors!).

The photo has been taken so that the two roadways on either side of the parked bikes in the centre of The Broad are obscured. 

And issues in the non-residential (indeed prime University) parts of a student centric City like Oxford are not relevant to the issues in Dulwich.

[first mate]

2 hours ago, snowy said:

Rows of bikes lying in their side have been pushed over. 

Ah, yes, it can only be that. People are just randomly going round pushing over properly parked Lime bikes. Pull the other one.

Clearly, the current system is not working. Bikes are still being dumped willy nilly, and clearly users are not being fined hundreds of pounds, as you suggest is the case, or we would not have the issue, would we.

1 hour ago, Cancerian said:

This was a big ad on the back of the Southwark News this week!

As we all know, actions speak louder than words. I think Lime are holding out some very tempting carrots to Southwark, so it will be interesting to see the impact on the area, for better or worse, this summer.

At more or less empty Dulwich Sq today ( that well known south London social hub) there were some e-bikes and scooters left in the pedestrian area, but the designated parking bays were empty. Perhaps because they are well heeled visitors who can afford the hundreds of pounds in fines that are allegedly heading their way.

Edited Sunday at 14:29 by first mate

[snowy]

2 hours ago, first mate said:

Ah, yes, it can only be that. People are just randomly going round pushing over properly parked Lime bikes. Pull the other one.

Clearly, the current system is not working. Bikes are still being dumped willy nilly, and clearly users are not being fined hundreds of pounds, as you suggest is the case, or we would not have the issue, would we.

As we all know, actions speak louder than words. I think Lime are holding out some very tempting carrots to Southwark, so it will be interesting to see the impact on the area, for better or worse, this summer.

At more or less empty Dulwich Sq today ( that well known south London social hub) there were some e-bikes and scooters left in the pedestrian area, but the designated parking bays were empty. Perhaps because they are well heeled visitors who can afford the hundreds of pounds in fines that are allegedly heading their way.

Of course it's a thing - go and have a hunt on tik tok or instagram and see kids pushing lines of them over...

Edited Sunday at 16:59 by snowy

[jazzer]

Horrible things left strewn anywhere the irresponsible rider fancies leaving it.

If the user has to take a picture showing where it has been left, why does the checking mechanism not say no, use a bay???

The best place for Lime and alike is in the crusher or dust cart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get them off our streets, or use and park them properly. Only takes one to spoil it for the rest, oh, they've done that already.

[march46]

Wait til you hear about cars!