St John's and St Clement's Primary School Street

[Huggers]

Summer holidays in a week or so-am I right in thinking this is suspended for their  duration? 

[CPR Dave]

I wouldn't make any such assumptions with this council.

[Nigello]

The signs say nothing about term time as far as I can see so yeah, the council would then stand to make money from fines related to restrictions that were put in to deal with school term-related concerns. Perhaps Southwark has a department of “and they wonder why they don’t like or trust us”? 

Edited July 14, 2023 by Nigello

[Huggers]

Good news! I asked Southwark and this is reply

 

Good morning,

The restrictions are only enforced during term times. If you receive any tickets in error during the school holidays, please let us know.

Kind regards,

Tobias Allen

[JaneKinnin]

On 14/04/2023 at 22:48, alex_b said:

Well the TMO states term time only as does the Southwark schools streets page. I’m generally fairly down on Southwark but I doubt they’d do something so cynically unlawful. 
 

I agree the closures are badly placed and will trap traffic. In the consultation and directly to the highways team (copying my local councillors) I suggested bringing the closure back to the corner of Nutbrook or at least advanced warning signs further up Adys and Nutbrook. Unfortunately I was ignored. 

Just to add that fines are being implemented in the summer holidays as well, contrary to the information provided by the council earlier. Maybe it is possible to challenge them?

[seemster]

Hi, I just wondered what people's thoughts are on appealing PCNs? I always remember to check the time when I am driving down i.e. from Oglander road towards Crystal Palace Road but I just forgot when going back home the other way - it was only just 2 mins after 3pm.

On the one hand I get it, them's the rules, just shut up and pay the fine. On the other hand, why should I pay £65 to the council to keep a road clear that didn't even have any children on it or any parents or any sign of activity? It was totally deserted so why do I have to pay soooooo much for the privilege of driving down it?!  

Don't mean to start a big debate, just looking for some thoughts on whether it is worth appealing and if so what to say?!

Thanks

[granadaland]

Bad parking, 3 point turns in front of the school, aggressive behavior, kids literally being hit by cars, before the restrictions were introduced, is the reason why.

Edited December 17 by granadaland

[Cancerian]

I understand your frustration seemster! Most schools don’t finish until 3.30pm so you would think you could drive as normal along a local street before this time but alas no. Once the school streets have been set in motion by Southwark Labour then I’m afraid there’s nothing you can do and sadly I would say to you to pay the fine. The Dulwich Village system is the same since it started and people living and driving as normal have been bombarded with the local Labour councillors’ ideas and regulations and carers and family members are affected.
I’m in the process of appealing a PCN at the Morrison’s car park in Camberwell at the moment and awaiting a reply. I have proof I paid at the ticket machine so that’s the only reason I’m appealing. 

 
 

[pebs]

I just got pinged on this today. Useless signage  - at least Townley Road is much clearer.  Just a money making exercise for the council.  Pathetic.  Can't drive anywhere in Dulwich these days  - either takes forever to get out of the neighbourhood (why a 20mph on major South Circular road for goodness sake) or you get pinged.  Great improvement Southwark! Not to mention subjective interpretation of all residents' feedback, which does not support LTNs. If I misinterpreted data like this for my job I would be sacked!

[Huggers]

At first There was good signage displaying  prohibited  times, in nutbrook street near the junction of Adys road but this has been replaced with a smaller sign that just says ‘school street ahead’ with no tines shown and doesn’t give cars enough time or information to make a decision.

Can we alert counsellors to this change?

Edited December 20 by Huggers

[Azalea]

1 hour ago, Huggers said:

At first There was good signage displaying  prohibited  times, in nutbrook street near the junction of Adys road but this has been replaced with a smaller sign that just says ‘school street ahead’ with no tines shown and doesn’t give cars enough time or information to make a decision.

Can we alert counsellors to this change?

That’s not fair. I’d appeal if I got a ticket based on a too small sign and especially if it replaced a previous larger one.

[Nigello]

20 hours ago, Huggers said:

At first There was good signage displaying  prohibited  times, in nutbrook street near the junction of Adys road but this has been replaced with a smaller sign that just says ‘school street ahead’ with no tines shown and doesn’t give cars enough time or information to make a decision.

Can we alert counsellors to this change?

Go right ahead! 

[march46]

That’s an extra sign isn’t it? The one with the timings was still there recently.

[Huggers]

4 hours ago, march46 said:

That’s an extra sign isn’t it? The one with the timings was still there recently.

That’s once you’ve turned left into Adys from Nutbrook though, not in the feeder road, and by the time you see it you will have to do a three point turn to avoid as Amott is forbidden. 

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

On 20/12/2024 at 12:45, pebs said:

(why a 20mph on major South Circular road for goodness sake) 

Mate, the speed limit could be 70mph along there, and all you'd do is get to the next traffic light six seconds earlier and with a massive increase in danger and emissions.

[Huggers]

On 21/12/2024 at 16:18, Huggers said:

That’s once you’ve turned left into Adys from Nutbrook though, not in the feeder road, and by the time you see it you will have to do a three point turn to avoid as Amott is forbidden. 

I’ve just noticed the ‘school street’ sign also has arrow pointing to right implying the school street is to the right when it’s to the left. 

On 21/12/2024 at 10:54, Nigello said:

Go right ahead! 

I’m going to

any suggestion which department?