Madeleine McCann

[El Pibe]

Add a crazy white wig and some gold sovereign rings and it's uncanny...

[Jeremy]

One of them looks like the one without a beard from sly & reggie, with a little Silvio Berlusconi thrown in.

The other looks like Wayne Rooney's dad. With a little Silvio Berlusconi thrown in.

[*Bob*]

I guess it's like a Rorschach.

[JohnL]

Changed massively since the 70s - when I went where I wanted

(until my sister hurt herself on a rope swing).

Which means abductions/abuse should be much, much lower as there

is less opportunity.

LondonMix Wrote:

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> I don't know enough about the case to get into it.

>

>

> My point concerns blaming the victim of a crime in

> general and how our perceptions of risky parenting

> have shifted. I, like everyone else, hope that

> Madeline is okay and will be returned to her

> parents and I really don't have anything more to

> say about this specific family.

[Mick Mac]

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> Sue

> You can't be with your children 100% of the time.

> There will always be opportunities for people like

> this who target a particular child. You just have

> to protect your children as best you can - but

> mainly hope that you are not the unlucky ones like

> the McCanns.

The Met are now saying this was a planned abduction. Therefore if a child is targeted it would have happended at some stage.

Its unfortunate that the actions of the McCanns made it so easy for them but I don't doubt that if the Met are correct that it was a planned abduction then they would have found a way.

I'm sorry for the McCanns that they did not get decent immediate police input on the loss of their child.

[JohnL]

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> Mick Mac Wrote:

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> -----

> > Sue

> > You can't be with your children 100% of the

> time.

> > There will always be opportunities for people

> like

> > this who target a particular child. You just

> have

> > to protect your children as best you can - but

> > mainly hope that you are not the unlucky ones

> like

> > the McCanns.

>

> The Met are now saying this was a planned

> abduction. Therefore if a child is targeted it

> would have happended at some stage.

>

> Its unfortunate that the actions of the McCanns

> made it so easy for them but I don't doubt that if

> the Met are correct that it was a planned

> abduction then they would have found a way.

>

> I'm sorry for the McCanns that they did not get

> decent immediate police input on the loss of their

> child.

The moment I hear 'planned abduction' - I think who was the inside man.

you'd think someone would be that.

Barman, chalet maid etc...

[Sue]

I'm not going to post on this thread again (after this very long post) unless/until the perpetrator/s of this crime, whatever the crime turns out to have been, are found and charged.

The reason is that I have previously been torn to shreds on this and a previous thread for stating things on here which are part of the police files and in the public domain but which have not (or rarely) been even mentioned in the press in this country.

However, for those who only know (or base their opinions on) the spin, inaccuracies and downright lazy journalism they have read in the UK press, I wonder how - if this "planned abduction" is indeed found to have happened - Scotland Yard are going to explain how two independent British blood and cadaver dogs alerted in several places and to several items connected to Mr and Mrs McCann, and did not alert anywhere else?

Just one clip:

And also I wonder why Martin Smith (one of the family who saw the man going towards the beach carrying a child resembling Madeleine, who Scotland Yard are now belatedly placing so much importance on, and which Dr Amaral, the detective originally in charge of the case, was focusing on immediately before he was removed from the case) phoned the police after seeing Mr McCann come down the steps of the plane he flew back in from Portugal because he was 60 - 80% certain from the way the man was walking and the way he was carrying one of the twins from the plane that the man who he had seen was Mr McCann. OK not 100% but ....

I'm also waiting with bated breath to hear why the McCanns and their holiday friends refused to return to Portugal for a detailed reconstruction. It was presumably that refusal (plus Mrs McCann's refusal to answer 48 questions), which led to the Portuguese police's shelving of the case (which did not, incidentally, "clear" the McCanns).

The Crimewatch "reconstruction" (sic) scarcely went into times etc of who was where when. If you have read the original witness statements, no wonder.

The Assistant Chief Constable of Leicestershire Police said ?While both or one of [the McCanns] may be innocent, there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine's disappearance?.

Maybe there is now???

It will also be interesting to hear how Scotland Yard can explain why the "abductor" which Jane Tanner "saw" - now, six years later, "found" to be a father carrying their child home from the night creche - was a) going the wrong way ie towards the creche not from it and b) coincidentally was carrying a child wearing the same pyjamas as Madeleine was that night (according to Jane Tanner's description - which changed several times btw, becoming increasingly more detailed each time).

And how they can explain why a "planned abduction" apparently involved no car or quick getaway, but somebody carrying an "abducted" child (and a nearly-four-year-old is pretty heavy) around the streets on foot.

I could go on ....

I no longer know what to think, but I do know that many things just do not add up.

There are many websites and forums devoted to the discussion of the case, including of course the McCanns' own. If you are interested in actually reading and debating facts, a starting point might be The Maddie Case Files, but I don't know if it is open to new members.

There are also several places where you can read an online English translation of Dr Amaral's book "The Truth of The Lie", if you google it.

I'm no longer posting on this thread because it is an emotive case and the vast majority of people reading this thread will have no knowledge of the case at all, so I will again be personally attacked and called "sick" and worse.

So do feel free to tear me to shreds again behind my back :( even if you haven't looked at any of the actual first-hand statements and other evidence and only know what you've read in the papers (or of course seen on Crimewatch).

And just to clarify - like every other decent person, I too would be absolutely delighted if Madeleine was found somewhere alive and well.

[Otta]

I just think it's sad that

a. This is all being done too late

b. This case is costing a fortune in order to win votes, whilst all the other children that go missing ALL THE TIME will never get mentioned.

I too hope the truth comes out, and would love to see this girl turn up alive and well, but I don't know why this case is somehow more worthy of these resourses than all the other cases.

[*Bob*]

Part one out now. Free binder with part one. Collect all ten case files and receive this attractive replica bloodstained claw hammer and authentic dental records report.

[Otta]

Haha!

[LondonMix]

Perfect!

*Bob* Wrote:

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> Part one out now. Free binder with part one.

> Collect all ten case files and receive this

> attractive replica bloodstained claw hammer and

> authentic dental records report.

[woodrot]

did the policeman do it ? or was it the butler? maybe it was col. mustard in the tapas bar with a bottle of Port and a nice freshly grilled sardine with moreish locally grown potatoes c/w side salad ?

the clues are there for ALL TO SEE- JUST OPEN YOUR MINDS SHEEPLE

[woodrot]

Cliff Richard was holidaying at his Million pound villa that week on the Algarve

JOIN THE DOTS PEOPLE, JOIN THE DOTS

[uncleglen]

That photo-fit looks like the boss in the American Office

[Mick Mac]

Yawn. Not for the first time.

[pommie]

I saw a comment on another website that said the e-fit of one of the men seen carrying a child on the night she went missing looks very similar to her father!

[unlurked]

Looks like the sniffer dogs got it wrong . .

[hoolley]

The forensic evidence has been dismissed. The detective leading the case was also being investigated for falsifying documents and also beating another mother into a confession. They explained the bruises to her falling down the stairs and the Portuguese police have now reopened the case saying the McCanns are innocent.

[Loz]

hoolley Wrote:

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> the Portuguese police have now reopened

> the case saying the McCanns are innocent.

Good to see they are keeping an open mind, then...

[unlurked]

This case just gets stranger and stranger. Something very wrong with the original investigation.

[PokerTime]

I watched Crimewatch last night and was particularly astonished by the similar incidents that had been reported from nearby towns. All I can see is Portuguese Police incompetance.

[unlurked]

Yes, agree with the incompetance bit but surely all the people that were involved or had knowledge about the other similar incidents why did they not go to the media when they saw connetions were not being made? More than Police incompetance imo.

[PokerTime]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-20/madeleine-mccann-police-seek-lone-sex-attacker/5332882

Two of the incidents happened in the same resort the McCanns stayed at and there was no sign of forced entry in most of the incidents either. Catching that guy should have been a major aim of the Portuguese Police from the first incident, let alone five sexual assualts down the line. I think the problem has always been with the (now disgraced) officer in charge at the time. He had a theory and was determined to stick with it no matter what. That kind of policing always leads to problems. You only have to look at the murder of Meridith Kercher for a case in point of that. It's all very tragic.

[Loz]

Bit of a change of MO, though. Sounds like a vague possibility rather than a definite connection.

[JohnL]

Yorkshire Ripper and Wearside Jack.

PokerTime Wrote:

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> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-20/madeleine-mc

> cann-police-seek-lone-sex-attacker/5332882

>

> Two of the incidents happened in the same resort

> the McCanns stayed at and there was no sign of

> forced entry in most of the incidents either.

> Catching that guy should have been a major aim of

> the Portuguese Police from the first incident, let

> alone five sexual assualts down the line. I think

> the problem has always been with the (now

> disgraced) officer in charge at the time. He had a

> theory and was determined to stick with it no

> matter what. That kind of policing always leads to

> problems. You only have to look at the murder of

> Meridith Kercher for a case in point of that. It's

> all very tragic.