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Using cabs is not the same as owning cars and clogging up the roads. My issue is with individual car ownership and the additional problems that causes.


Cabs are similar to using shared cars in a car club, each journey obviously produces pollution and CO2, but less cars are needed, less parking space is required and people are less likely to make local trips in a cab which could more easily be done on foot or by bike.


It's still not green, but it can be included as part of the move towards a more sustainable transport model.

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DJKQ - just for the record, you state above:


And yes....I don't know a single person who works on location in the film industry or TV drama that doesn't own a car, or motorbike.


and


Actors are always collected by private hire cars.


So I'm kind of confused, does everyone own a car/motorbike or not?


And what's wrong with motorbikes? It's individual car ownership that I have been saying is unsustainable.

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What jumps out at me is the idea that someone doing their job is being portrayed as evil because the event was for Charidee. Sorry but that doesn't exempt the OP from the law and you shouldn't point fingers just because you feel you are morally superior. That's how I read it.


And another echo for BR and Renata, I'm sure I'm not the only one who finds it a bit ironic that you should feel the need to drive in order to run.

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Hi LadyD, thanks for your responses. Firstly, apologies for my rather unnecessary and provocative post. Let's not let this descend into an argumentum ad hominem...


I'm not talking about large families who live in Ethiopia, I'm talking about large families who live in London. I appreciate you must live in an environmentally conscious way and that's obviously to your credit, however your legacy will still leave a larger carbon footprint than mine by virtue of the fact that you are a grandmother and I don't have kids, even though I drive a (second hand) car. Do any of your kids have cars? Catch flights abroad? Will your grandkids drive? Will their kids? etc.


The point is, no one would deny you the happiness and pride that your family must bring you. Similarly, I believe it would be wrong to deny people their independance and livelihoods through banning car ownership in London. I look forward to the weekends when I can jump in my car, drive to the countryside and visit my friends, family and relatives. On top of that, I simply couldn't do my chosen profession without my car.

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Willard, thanks for the olive branch!


The problems with individual car ownership is about more than just the carbon footprint. It's also about congestion; pollution; the inherent danger to cyclists, pedestrians, other drivers etc.; the health problems associated with reduced levels of exercise and stress from driving through congested roads; loss of amenity due to increased need for wider roads and parking spaces etc.


There are lots of negative aspects to individual car ownership that are not just borne by the car owner and I feel it is unfair for the rest of society to have to suffer these negative by-products of individual car ownership for other people's convenience.


In relation to each of our carbon footprints, only my son owns a car. He has a small car which he uses to transport his large amount of taekwondo equipment to his classes otherwise he cycles every day to his job in Elephant & Castle. He is hoping to buy a second hand electric vehicle at some point because I keep nagging him.


The rest of my descendants cycle, walk and use public transport. They also get much of their stuff from charity shops/Freecycle. As for flights, in the past 10 years there have been 6 flights in total between all of us and only one was long haul, to Jamaica to visit family.


I would like to ask you a few questions if you don?t mind. Not wanting to play the 'i'm greener than you' game, but you did start it!


Do you have electronic/electric gadgets in your house? Do you use a tumble dryer or dishwasher?


How many flights have you been on in the past 10 years?


Do you upgrade your electronics when the old ones still work? Do you buy your clothes/furniture etc new or second hand? Do you pass on your unwanted goods to others/recycle them or throw them away?


Do you make journeys of under a mile in your car? If so, how often?

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lady d, you really are a total tosser. obsessed, closed minded, delighting in your ability to anger and provoke all those around you. a period of humble silence would be welcome. forum authorities should consider suspending you and your spite
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puzzled Wrote:

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> lady d, you really are a total tosser. obsessed,

> closed minded, delighting in your ability to anger

> and provoke all those around you. a period of

> humble silence would be welcome. forum authorities

> should consider suspending you and your spite



And breathe .....

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SIGH.....hire cars are used to transport principle actors to guarantee they arrive, and arrive in comfort and on time (if hire cars and drivers were not used they would have to use their own vehicles). Ordinary cabs are not used. Specialist car companies and drivers are used. Technicians, crew and other cast (not priciple) use their own vehicles, and yes some use motorbikes but not everyone is capable of riding a motorbike (nor wants too in cold, wind and rain)...........there are no holes to pick in this guys...really.......
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Most of us have nowhere to grow anything LD let alone keet chickens....you need to cut some slack here. Even if everyone wanted to be totally eco aware, they can't be.


I only use my vehicle for work or for transporting stock for my Tenants Hall. I make all journeys that I can by bicycle (mainly because of the money it saves me). I make a lot of journeys by public transport too. When I do get on my bicycle or in my vehicle I always have in mind the opening words of the highway code - 'to avoid an accident if you can'. I don't consider myself to be inconsiderate of the environment nor do I believe I am putting anyones life in danger. I've never hit a pedestrian with any motor vehicle I've ever owned. I have though had several collisions on my bicycle with pedestrians that walked out in front of me (pedrestrian percesption being - bicycle equals slow and can stop immiediately).....


Things have to be looked at in perspective.

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DJKQ - Willard wanted to know whether I have a higher or lower carbon footprint than him, so I decided to bore you all with my efforts to live a greener life over the past decade. Sorry to be a tw@t, but I feel I was left with no choice on the matter!
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It was never about point scoring Deliah, it was about exposing the hypocrisy of a self proclaimed Eco warrior. Surely even a lawyer can work out that I will consume less in my finite life time than you and your ever expanding lineage and progeny who's consumption will increase exponentially.


And as for your ?54 pound gas bill, well that's just cheating because everyone knows that grannies get a heating allowance ;-)


No further questions m'Lud.

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I went to a charity evening in Honor Oak this week along with quite a few others who had travellend by car (terrible rain). I had to park on the main road, rememberign this thread, I didn't half park on the pavement. As I was walking away, the resulting narrowness of the road meant that with two buses approaching from either direction, there was a massive hold up, traffic jam, hotting, beeping and general commotion...


Would it have been better and mroe community-minded to put half my car on the pavement. I think, yes - so long as there was enough room for buggies and wheelchairs to pass. But I didn't, and was the cause of a major traffic incident.

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There are reasons for laws, even if we can't immediately

see them.


That's what I get told anyway :)


treehugger Wrote:

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> I went to a charity evening in Honor Oak this week

> along with quite a few others who had travellend

> by car (terrible rain). I had to park on the main

> road, rememberign this thread, I didn't half park

> on the pavement. As I was walking away, the

> resulting narrowness of the road meant that with

> two buses approaching from either direction, there

> was a massive hold up, traffic jam, hotting,

> beeping and general commotion...

>

> Would it have been better and mroe

> community-minded to put half my car on the

> pavement. I think, yes - so long as there was

> enough room for buggies and wheelchairs to pass.

> But I didn't, and was the cause of a major traffic

> incident.

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