CPZ Zone PW Review - consultation

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

I think you have misunderstood regarding having free parking and available to me. you say you can have one or another, i think most motorists want both.

You might want both, but you can't have both. There's a limited amount of street space and a lot of people wanting to park there. You can have free parking, but you'll moan about not getting a spot because too many people (you included) want to park for free on your street. You can reduce demand and increase availability by charging for parking, but then it's not free any more.

[first mate]

There was never a major issue with parking until it was created. It is largely a manufactured problem.

[CPR Dave]

There isn't really a major issue with parking now tbh.

There is still plenty of space to park in the non-CPZ areas even with people from streets that voted for a CPZ now parking there too.

Occasionally you might have to park somewhere slightly less convenient but there is always enough space still.

This is why 68% of residents voted against the CPZs in the first place.

[Jenijenjen]

A reminder that nobody voted in the consultation either for or against though 68% of those residents who responded to the consultation did not want one.

[trinidad]

I think you have misunderstood regarding having free parking and available to me. you say you can have one or another, i think most motorists want both.

You might want both, but you can't have both. There's a limited amount of street space and a lot of people wanting to park there. You can have free parking, but you'll moan about not getting a spot because too many people (you included) want to park for free on your street. You can reduce demand and increase availability by charging for parking, but then it's not free any more.

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Im sorry but i disagree, we have had free parking on my street for decades before the silly CPZ, and we still could. Let's face it, it's another vehicle / stealth tax. I would never complain if i did not get a spot on my road, so I dont know where you have got this from. What i do object to strongly is trying to find a parking space while being charge £130.00 a year, now i do have a problem with that.

I agree with one thing, there are alot of vehicles, but the zone has not addressed this at all, the vehicles owners just pay the money. so if does not work with 2 hours a day, how will this work, daytime/evening/weekend. 24/7 restrictions, the same vehicles will just pay. the only winners is the council. CPZ dont solve parking problems, as i don't see it on my road and lots of people on this thread seem to agree.

[trinidad]

There isn't really a major issue with parking now tbh.

There is still plenty of space to park in the non-CPZ areas even with people from streets that voted for a CPZ now parking there too.

Occasionally you might have to park somewhere slightly less convenient but there is always enough space still.

This is why 68% of residents voted against the CPZs in the first place.

 

It Beggers belief because the zone was introduced in the first place. I would never trust the Labour administration for Southwark again

[trinidad]

Only a few days to go now until the council closes the consultation process.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE if you live in the PW (Peckham West) controlled parking zone, please complete the online questionnaire and reject the councils desire to increase the restrictions of daytime, evenings and weekends parking. CPZ do not work and as many people have said, there is always parking even if you have to walk a little.

As someone said above, don't be surprised when the charges got up each year, the council knows we are sitting ducks and can't put the car anywhere but on the road which is covered by their charging policy.

The link to the questionnaire is on the first post and we have until 20th November (Sunday) to reject their crazy idea. The documentation suggests the CPZ times have to be looked at because of the increase in "bars, restaurants and living developments" - has a new town moved here??? what rubbish!!

[Eileen]

Dear neighbours in the Peckham West CPZ area,

This consultation is about the CPZ introduced in 2020. It is asking for comments on how it is working, and about extending the hours and days it is in force. This concerns everyone who lives or runs a business in the Bellenden area between the Peckham town centre CPZ and all streets from and including East Dulwich Road, Grove Vale, Copleston Road and Choumert Road.

Getting your views in by the deadline- 28th November - is important if you do not want it to be extended to weekends or across the whole day, and possibly evenings. If you don't want it extended, you need to respond to the Council survey to say that. If you do not respond the Council may take your silence to agree with an extension. Here is the link to the survey: https://www.southwark.gov.uk/zonePWreview

A copy of a local email about this with more details is below.

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COPY OF PREVIOUS EMAIL

From: Eileen Conn

Sent: 09 November 2022 02:56

To: Peckham Vision <[email protected]>

Subject: URGENT - local CPZ consultation

To residents in the Peckham West CPZ area

The Council has just started a consultation about our local CPZ in the Bellenden area which is called by the Council 'Peckham West'.

This local CPZ was installed just as the pandemic was starting and took effect in the first lockdown in 2020. We had several community meetings and discussions about it in the two years leading up to it. The council always reviews new CPZ areas after about a year. Ours was delayed because of the pandemic. You should have received a card from the Council this week saying they are consulting us on how it has worked and if we want to see any changes to extend it to cover the weekends and the evenings. They are NOT consulting on removing it or reducing the controlled hours. The deadline for comments is 28th November.

If you haven't had a card, you can see the information online: https://www.southwark.gov.uk/zonePWreview

That also has the consultation survey to complete.

Please see below some things to think about in responding to the consultation. Let me know if you have any comments.

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WHY IS IT REALLY IMPORTANT TO RESPOND TO THIS AND BY THE 28th NOVEMBER?

This is because they say:

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"If we receive a majority in favour of amending the operating times and hours of your parking zone we will recommend an amendment..."

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* This causes a problem as it is totally unclear what the 'majority' is measured against. There is some evidence that it may be the majority of respondents to the consultation. That is not a reasonable assessment of the majority view locally if only a minority of local people respond.

* To make it a better representation of local opinion, we need a lot of people in each street to respond. Can you help by making sure your neighbours know about the consultation? - you could show them your card or send them an email, or if there is a street whatsapp send a message.

* That would give you a chance also to start a local discussion on your street on what you all think the benefits are of the CPZ and if you want it to stay the same and not be expanded in days or hours, and to

encourage everyone to respond to the consultation.

* The changes the Council suggest we consider all seem to be about reducing parking spaces even more, and increasing substantially the controls for our visitors. If not enough people respond saying they are satisfied with it as it is, the majority of responses to extend it, even if small, may be taken as the majority view.

* If you are satisfied with it as it is, it is ESSENTIAL to respond and say that to make sure that view is properly counted.

REASONS FOR KEEPING THE CPZ AS IT IS

Personally from my experience of it throughout the CPZ, I feel it works well, has improved overall the situation, and extending it is unnecessary to make it work better. These reasons include:

1. It has reduced parking stress adequately.

2. The spaces are not filled more in the uncontrolled hours. The severe parking problems there used to be all day and evening have disappeared, even outside the controlled days and hours.

3. it is good for visitors after 11am and at weekends.

4. Want to keep the CPZ, and as it is.

5. Do not want it extended in hours or days as there are no problems outside those times.

6. Extending the days and hours would severely impede informal social visitors.

REASONS FOR SEEKING CHANGES

* While the CPZ seems satisfactory in most of the area, there may be small parts that are affected by very local factors.

* If you ask for changes extending the days or the hours of controlled parking, it is important to explain in detail what this is for and for the very specific part of the area - street or part of a street – it applies to.

COMMUNITY MEETINGS TO DISCUSS THIS CONSULTATION

These kinds of consultations can really benefit from local discussion, as they affect us all and it is good to hear what others think about the issues before responding to the consultation.

* If you would like to organise a local meeting about it, you can publicise it with posters, leaflets through the doors, and on whatsapp and other local social media.

The key thing is to get a lot of people to respond.

END

[Froglander]

This thread is very important. I have responded to the consultation to say keep the hours as they are, as Southwark obviously won’t be removing the current CPZ.

[Penguin68]

Dear neighbours in the Peckham West CPZ area,...

Everything in this post makes perfect sense and sets out a proper process and all necessary considerations SAVE that Southwark council's track record is that they will ignore anything that doesn't fit with its agenda ('it's a consultation, not a referendum' is their mantra for things that don't 'fit') and will go ahead and do whatever it is they planned to do willy-nilly, but claiming justification because of the 'consultation'.

[trinidad]

Hello all, just bumping this thread up, for all those who received their blue card in the post in the "West Peckham" area. its 8 days from today until the consultation ends, please respond to ASAP, lost your card? please click on the link in the first message. Say no to increasing the hours of the Controlled Parking Zone in WP. They don't work!!

[trinidad]

Hello all,

If you live in the PW area, please make sure you give your views of the council wanting to increase time restrictions further during the afternoon / evening / weekends. The consultation expires tomorrow, so please click on the link in the first message.

[trinidad]

Hello all, It has been two months since the local council chose to review the controlled parking zone in Peckham West (yes the council has actually named our area this) does anyone have a update??

[CPR Dave]

Did anything happen here?

[CPR Dave]

Deleted - Wrong thread 

Edited May 17, 2023 by CPR Dave
Wrong thread

[Ashlar]

On 12/11/2022 at 00:35, trinidad said:

There are boxes included, you can always write your suggestion there.

 

I live close to ED train station, I don't really think the two hours has made much of a difference, expect free me of £130.00 each year. If the CPZ is increased to full day, in the evening and/or the weekend, al that would happen is the traffic will park on alternative roads, thus moving the problem. no one will come and visit if they have to pay for parking, we should reject any suggestion of increasing this rubbish scheme

Hey Trinidad, not sure if you are aware but the permit price went up to £225 a year for ULEZ compliant cars and to £300 for non compliant cars in April. 

[Penguin68]

Please remember that many people who travel into our area by car are people who serve in our shops, staff our surgeries and pharmacists and schools, mend or service our equipment and so so. If they are travelling east: west public transport isn't really a practical option.

The myth put forward was that these were all people 'stealing' our Zone 2 location and going on to their fat cat city jobs, rubbing their hands with glee that they were also stealing our 'free' parking.

This wasn't, in the main, so. Indeed I recall parking spaces being (somewhat) empty in some local roads at mid-day (Ondine Road, for instance) and becoming impossible to park in only after 6.00 in the evenings. But saying it was 'foreigners' (foreign to ED at least) was one of the Council's scare tactics when the issue was last debated on and 'consulted'. [What's the difference between 'consult' and 'insult' to Tooley St? Well, that would be the spelling!]

[alex_b]

There was a definite problem of vans, cars and occasionally old taxis being ‘stored’ on Adys and Nutbrook. Povided they were taxed they could sit there for months at a time as the council had no power to move them.
 

Parking is a little better now but it was never horrendous. I don’t see how extending hours would improve anything. 

Edited May 19, 2023 by alex_b

[trinidad]

Does anyone know what happened with Southwark council trying to increase the times from this dreadful CPZ that costs me £135.00 a year? This council is useless at sharing information 

[trinidad]

Peckham West 'PW' CPZ Review

Closed 28 Nov 2022

Opened 7 Nov 2022

 

Contact

020 7525 0343

[email protected]

Overview

We would like your views on the Peckham West 'PW' permit parking scheme in your area.

We are aware that there may have been changes in the area such as residential developments and an increase in bars and restaurants, that parking stress has increased and we would like to know if you would like to the operational hours extended or for them to remain the same.  As the parking zone only operates for 2 hours of the day, we would not advise that this is reduced even further as it would be difficult to enforce.   We are also not seeking to remove the parking zone therefore this question has not been asked.

If we receive a majority in favour of amending the operating times and hours of your parking zone we will put forward a recommended amendment to the Cabinet Member for Environment, Transport and the Climate Emergency to make a final decision.

This decision would then be subject to statutory consultation.

What are the pros and cons of extending the operating hours of my parking zone?

Pros

• Parking on your street will be prioritised for residents, their visitors and businesses for longer and at the weekend;
• The removal of parking in the evening and at the weekend would leave space available for street improvements such as places to rest and cycle parking.

Cons

• Increased operational hours would decrease the amount of time you can park without permits which may mean you would need to purchase more visitors’ permits.
• There may be some parking displacement to nearby parking zones from those who would normally use Zone ‘PW’ for evening and weekend parking.

If we were able to reduce the amount of vehicles parked in the area, we could consider introducing a variety of street improvements as detailed below:

• More and varied cycle parking
• Places to rest (single chairs with arm rests) for the elderly, children and people with disabilities.
• Planted screen (e.g. Ivy) to capture particulate matter pollution.
• ‘Parklets’ – communal seating and planting in car parking spaces, provided on a trial basis. 

A map of the current 'PW' permit area can be seen below:

Why your views matter

We would like to ensure that the parking restrictions in your area are still working for you. Please let us know if you would like to see any changes. 

What happens next

A report with recommendations will be presented to the Cabinet Member for a final decision subject to statutory consultation.

Any recommended changes would be published in the Southwark News, The Gazette and on street inviting representations. 

Related

• Previous Consultation

Areas

• Peckham Rye

Audiences

• All residents

Interests

• Transport