CPZ Zone PW Review - consultation

[trinidad]

I received the following card today in the post from southwark council:

Zone 'PW' Review

(Peckham West controlled parking zone)

We would like your views on the current CPZ in West Peckham

Please let us know whether the CPZ has made a positive difference to parking in the area and weather you would like to see any changes to the layout or operating hours of the zone.

www.southwark.gov.uk/zonePWreview

Consultation

7 November to 28 November 2022

Have your say

Your parking zone operates 9am to 11am, Monday to Friday. Would you like to see the operating hours changed to better suit the needs of the area where you live? we have outlined the pros and cons below:

Pros

Extending parking restrictions for longer lengths of time as well as the weekend will priorities parking for residents, visitors and businesses.

The removal of parking in the evening and at the weekend would leave space available for street improvements such as places to rest and cycle parking.

Cons

Increase operational hours would decrease the amount of time you can park without permits which may mean you would need to purchase more visitor permits.

There may be some parking displacement to nearby parking zones from those who would normally use Zone PW for evening and weekend parking.

To request a paper copy of the questionnaire please write to Freepost RSCE-TGHU-CUZB, Controilled Parking Zone 'PW' 3rd floor, Hub 2, 160 Tooley Street, SE1 2QH

If you would like any further information, please contact [email protected]

[alex_b]

It’s a solution in search of a problem. There is ample parking (at least in the South of the zone) outside of the operating hours. This just seems like a money making scheme for the council.

[trinidad]

Hello Alex, I actually agree with you, that I do not believe we need a controlled parking zone in West Peckham. A few years ago, when residents were consulted, the majority voted against the introduction of a parking zone, but the council implemented one anyway on a technicality, so this council's parking department would do what they want. I already get charged £130.00 a year, and parking enforcement officers daily on the street. People need to respond to the cards posted to every householder within the zone and reject the idea of increasing the times. Interesting, but there is no option to scrap the zone completely. It's clear from the proper gander of the card, the council supports CPZ and wants to increase the restricted hours, and restrictions increase revenue. OfCourse us as voters are equal to blame as we voted the same labour administration back into the council not that long ago. Such councils are the council of high taxes.

[CPR Dave]

the problem with the current operating hours is that visitors can avoid those and park in the non CPZ streets nearby while waiting for the timing to end. Especially now that people are at home more.

So if they extend the hours that puts more pressure on parking in the areas off East Dulwich that also rejected the CPZ and which did not get one.

More pressure on parking means more clamour for a CPZ. Which means more money in the council's pocket and less in yours.

Remember this council has admitted many times that it wants a CPZ throughout the whole of Southwark. They want to eliminate private car ownership altogether and double yellow lines and CPZ implementation are the most efficient way for them to achieve that.

[a_m]

Totally agree with you both. In my view there was insufficient evidence for Southwark to introduce the PW scheme in the first place, and no clear need or reasoning for its potential extension (other than Southwark's obvious wish to raise more revenue).

If you agree, please say so on the link for comments. The only way we've got of stopping this is to tell Southwark there are no clear grounds for this. Granted they'll probably try to find a way round that but we've at least got to try...

www.southwark.gov.uk/zonePWreview

[trinidad]

All your views are very valid, if any of you live in the PW CPZ, please express that we do not want to increase the time on the zone. I am sure this is what the local authority wants, but i don't think it is in the best interest of residents:

www.southwark.gov.uk/zonePWreview

[first mate]

Does anyone know how much this review will cost?

[trinidad]

Good question, properly coming out of the vast amount of money motorist pay to park

[AylwardS]

I live near East Dulwich station and remember comments on here when the introduction of a CPZ was first raised. Not everyone was affected but those living at the ends of roads giving onto Grove Vale reported being harassed by drivers wanting to park to go to the station. The car then stayed in place all day so if residents took their car out the space might not be there when they returned. We also have a 2-hour restriction and it’s worked at stopping commuters parking all day.

The consultation refers to changes, particularly that means more demand for evening parking. I’ve not seen changes on Grove Vale that would mean that applies this end, though it might at the other end of the zone. The zone is here to stay whether you believe it’s needed or not so if the current hours are working where you live maybe respond to say keep the current hours in your area and extend it where there is an issue with evening parking by creating a new zone.

[Soylent Green]

I live in PW and find that the survey does not give enough options. I am in favour of the CPZ as it enables me to park closer to my house. However, if I use the car in the morning and return after 11am, I have to resort to adjacent streets to park, which in my view negates the benefit of a CPZ. I have no problem with the council making money out of a CPZ - councils have not been able to increase council tax by much and receive no more money from central government. If a CPZ keeps a library open, or helps maintain our green spaces, then that is a good thing. I just wish the consultation had had an option for a 4 hour CPZ rather than just a keep the 2 hour one or increase to a full day.

[trinidad]

There are boxes included, you can always write your suggestion there.

I live close to ED train station, I don't really think the two hours has made much of a difference, expect free me of £130.00 each year. If the CPZ is increased to full day, in the evening and/or the weekend, al that would happen is the traffic will park on alternative roads, thus moving the problem. no one will come and visit if they have to pay for parking, we should reject any suggestion of increasing this rubbish scheme

[Hollybush]

I agree with Soylent Green on this. The zone has definitely created more parking space and got rid of all day parking.

The consultation seems to be saying that they need to extend hours in order to put in more greening/seating/cycle racks etc but I don't really understand this part. Surely they could just reallocate more space for those things without changing parking hours?

I've replied along those lines

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

Good question, properly coming out of the vast amount of money motorist pay to park

 

Without a CPZ, motorists pay zero to park their private vehicles on council streets. This one is...37p a day.

[trinidad]

Good question, properly coming out of the vast amount of money motorist pay to park

 

Without a CPZ, motorists pay zero to park their private vehicles on council streets. This one is...37p a day.

 

And I think it is a good thing that motorists did not have a CPZ, and as you put it, paid "zero" to park their car on "council streets" whats wrong with that?

In regard to 37p a day, can you provide more information as to how you got to this figure?

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

£130 annual charge mentioned above divided by the number of days in the year. HTH.

[a_m]

Good question, properly coming out of the vast amount of money motorist pay to park

 

Without a CPZ, motorists pay zero to park their private vehicles on council streets. This one is...37p a day.

 

Yes but it can be a lot more than that - any time anyone visits a resident in the CPZ, or you have a tradesperson doing work on your property etc, you have to pay for visitors’ parking which can make it a lot more than 37p a day, even in the current 2 hour restriction.

[trinidad]

£130 annual charge mentioned above divided by the number of days in the year. HTH.

 

your calculations:

0.37 x 5 days = £1.85 a week

£1.85 x 52 weeks of year = £96.20

I pay £130.00 a year (went up this year from £125.00)

I also pay:

Road Tax

Car Insurance

Petrol - all time high still

visitor permits for trades people and family/friends

let alone the other things which have increased for the cost of living. (Electivity, gas, food shopping etc)

I am struggling. And has congestion reduced on my road?

are there more parking spaces on my road?

do i feel i am getting value for money for the "privilege" of parking within 18 cluster of roads (PW CPZ)?

This council now wants to spend vast amounts of money to consult with increasing the times to evenings and weekends to install seating, flower planers, cycle hangers etc... (I personally do not understand the correlation between street furniture and increasing the times).

We have already lost parking spaces with double yellow lines, so these extra plans will no doubt take even more parking spaces from motorists which is already a challenge at the moment. The council parking department is not transparent, they will push their plans through regardless of what residents say - we rejected the CPZ in the first place, but the council introduced on a technicality. This is all part of their huge plan to make the borough pay for parking.

Look at the terrible ques every day on east Dulwhich Grove and Dulwich village. These streets are now a car park each day.

[trinidad]

Peckham West 'PW' CPZ Review

Closes 28 Nov 2022

Opened 7 Nov 2022

Contact

020 7525 0343

[email protected]

Overview

We would like your views on the Peckham West 'PW' permit parking scheme in your area.

We are aware that there may have been changes in the area such as residential developments and an increase in bars and restaurants, that parking stress has increased and we would like to know if you would like to the operational hours extended or for them to remain the same. As the parking zone only operates for 2 hours of the day, we would not advise that this is reduced even further as it would be difficult to enforce. We are also not seeking to remove the parking zone therefore this question has not been asked.

If we receive a majority in favour of amending the operating times and hours of your parking zone we will put forward a recommended amendment to the Cabinet Member for Environment, Transport and the Climate Emergency to make a final decision.

This decision would then be subject to statutory consultation.

What are the pros and cons of extending the operating hours of my parking zone?

Pros

Parking on your street will be prioritised for residents, their visitors and businesses for longer and at the weekend;

The removal of parking in the evening and at the weekend would leave space available for street improvements such as places to rest and cycle parking.

Cons

Increased operational hours would decrease the amount of time you can park without permits which may mean you would need to purchase more visitors’ permits.

There may be some parking displacement to nearby parking zones from those who would normally use Zone ‘PW’ for evening and weekend parking.

If we were able to reduce the amount of vehicles parked in the area, we could consider introducing a variety of street improvements as detailed below:

More and varied cycle parking

Places to rest (single chairs with arm rests) for the elderly, children and people with disabilities.

Planted screen (e.g. Ivy) to capture particulate matter pollution.

‘Parklets’ – communal seating and planting in car parking spaces, provided on a trial basis.

A map of the current 'PW' permit area can be seen below:

Why your views matter

We would like to ensure that the parking restrictions in your area are still working for you. Please let us know if you would like to see any changes.

This is on the council's own website. Does anyone know if we now have an increase in "residential developments" "restaurants" and "bars" the council claims these have been increased, has anyone seen this increase? I don't have a single "new single residential development" a new "restaurants" or new "bars" on my road - is this more propaganda???

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

£130 annual charge mentioned above divided by the number of days in the year. HTH.

0.37 x 5 days = £1.85 a week

£1.85 x 52 weeks of year = £96.20

I pay £130.00 a year (went up this year from £125.00)

I also pay:

Road Tax

Car Insurance

Petrol - all time high still

visitor permits for trades people and family/friends

...

are there more parking spaces on my road?

...

This council now wants to spend vast amounts of money to consult

 

1) there are 7 days in a week and 365 days in a year. You buy an annual pass, you don't get to exclude any days.

2) There's no such thing as road tax. Tax, insurance, petrol - none of that is for parking. You're paying nothing to park on the street at the moment.

3) there is a limited amount of space on your street, which is in one of the world's biggest cities with millions of cars in it. You want this parking to be free AND available to you whenever you want it. That's impossible. When you give something valuable away for free, lots of people want it. You can have one or the other, but not both.

4) yeah, agreed the council should consult less and just do stuff.

[CPR Dave]

councils have not been able to increase council tax by much

 

My council tax went up by nearly 7% this year.

That might not be much money for you but for a lot of people it is way above the rate their pay is going up.

And now the council are looking for new ways to charge more and increase the cost of living crisis for their residents.

[trinidad]

£130 annual charge mentioned above divided by the number of days in the year. HTH.

0.37 x 5 days = £1.85 a week

£1.85 x 52 weeks of year = £96.20

I pay £130.00 a year (went up this year from £125.00)

I also pay:

Road Tax

Car Insurance

Petrol - all time high still

visitor permits for trades people and family/friends

...

are there more parking spaces on my road?

...

This council now wants to spend vast amounts of money to consult

 

1) there are 7 days in a week and 365 days in a year. You buy an annual pass, you don't get to exclude any days.

2) There's no such thing as road tax. Tax, insurance, petrol - none of that is for parking. You're paying nothing to park on the street at the moment.

3) there is a limited amount of space on your street, which is in one of the world's biggest cities with millions of cars in it. You want this parking to be free AND available to you whenever you want it. That's impossible. When you give something valuable away for free, lots of people want it. You can have one or the other, but not both.

4) yeah, agreed the council should consult less and just do stuff.

 

Thank you for your contribution, but i don't think we will agree on much. I only included five days of the week, because the zone at the moment does not cover the weekend (I know the council would love to do this to rake in more revenue in visitors parking). so, for my calculations is much more than 0.37p a day (again we can agree to disagree)

Another technicality you mention is we don't have road tax, lets agree it's a tax that i pay on my car, its money i am paying. I am afraid again I disagree, the "extras" which include insurance, petrol and "vehicle tax" are related to the amount of disposable income i have such as paying for a space within 18 streets. I pay enough already. even if the zone was 24/7 there still be congestion on the road, so there is only one beneficiary with £1300.00 and its not me.

I think you have misunderstood regarding having free parking and available to me. you say you can have one or another, i think most motorists want both. The current system does not work for me. I am not getting value for money, there are not endless spaces like the council's publicity suggested during the operating times, people have just had to pay this parking tax (Yes, I am calling this a tax). I think the zone should go, as I would always find a space, just as i do now, but i am £130 lighter.

The council wastes alot of money, and anything related to parking comes from the revenue of parking fees. Apparently, if the council receives support for their plans to increase the parking times (under the guise there are endless bars, restaurants and living developments) the council then goes to a formal consultation, how much will that cost? with councils are well known to be cash strapped, i think the council has a money tree somewhere - well done to the parking department.

Sorry, all for the rant - please, if you have not made your views known, please complete the council's online questionnaire - link in the first message

[trinidad]

councils have not been able to increase council tax by much

 

My council tax went up by nearly 7% this year.

That might not be much money for you but for a lot of people it is way above the rate their pay is going up.

And now the council are looking for new ways to charge more and increase the cost of living crisis for their residents.

 

I completely get you CPR Dave, I am struggling with finance right now, The cost of living is so high, and going in one direction. This is why we need to reject the idea from the council to increase the time period of their zone.

[CPR Dave]

Also haven't the council started imposing conditions on new housing developments that ban residents from owning cars by barring them from appyling for parking permits?

[Penguin68]

I'm sorry to have to revisit old posts of mine, but Southwark Council is on record as saying that its ultimate aim is to wipe out private car ownership in Southwark. If you think that Southwark Labour is waging war against motorists - well then, it actually is - as part of its formal policies, which the majority of those living in Southwark voted for (even if they thought they were voting to punish Boris or Brexit etc.).

So don't be surprised when the annual fees soar, when the coverage of CPZs becomes 24/7 (and across the borough), when more and more roads are blocked from traffic or use by residents.

You voted for it (well, most of you!)

[CPR Dave]

Agreed, and it was widely trumpeted after the council elections last year that the residents voted for the LTNs and other anti car ownership measures, especially round here.