Sex not gender

[HeadNun]

I was recently walking through Peckham Rye and heard two young girls educating a boy about all the different genders there are and how you know if you're a boy or a girl.

I also recently cancelled my membership to the Labour party and emailed Helen Hayes to explain why, and of course didn't receive a reply.

Has anyone else reached their fill with this dangerous transgender ideological myth? I feel so anxious about the lies with which the youth are being indoctrinated and also anxious about who I'm going to vote for in the next election. I know it won't be the Conservatives, but I don't feel I belong in Labour as long as they seem to be reluctant to nail their colours to the mast when it comes to safeguarding the rights of women and children, or even being able to simply define what a woman is.

[Chick]

but I don't feel I belong in Labour as long as they seem to be reluctant to nail their colours to the mast when it comes to safeguarding the rights of women and children, or even being able to simply define what a woman is.

What exactly do you want from the Labour Party?

[HeadNun]

Well, I was going to write a long post about why, but then Sonia Sodha wrote this in the Guardian, published today, so I don't have to.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/02/if-labour-is-truly-the-party-of-equality-it-wouldnt-shut-down-the-trans-debate

[malumbu]

Have you met any transgender people. Do you feel the same about homosexuality? If so you may'find italy or Hungary good countries to live in.

Apols if I have misinterpreted your views,. I'll let you explain further.

[Chick]

Can you please explain what you regard as gender-critical?

[HeadNun]

Can you please explain what you regard as gender-critical?

 

Yes. Quite simply this: There are only two sexes in the human species. I don’t subscribe to gender. It’s a social construct ascribed to sexes which stereotypes. For example, women wear skirts and lipstick. Boys wear blue and like guns and trains.

Gender is mere stereotype but sex is immutable and you can’t alter your sex. Therefore a man wearing female clothing shouldn’t be allowed in women’s toilets just because he says he feels like a woman.

[HeadNun]

Have you met any transgender people. Do you feel the same about homosexuality? If so you may'find italy or Hungary good countries to live in.

Apols if I have misinterpreted your views,. I'll let you explain further.

 

You have misinterpreted my views. I’m not homophonic, all my gay friends feel as I do and none of them wish to be associated with trans rights activists or Stonewall. They’re fed up with seeing kids who are probably gay being told they’re trans and born in the wrong body.

[Bic Basher]

Labour removed the whip from Rupa Huq for a racist comment about the Chancellor, yet they continue to have Rosie Duffield who is part of a gender critical clique which also has JK Rowling and Graham Linehan who co-wrote Father Ted who share transphobic views, so I don't think Labour is as pro-Trans as they make out to be.

[HeadNun]

Labour removed the whip from Rupa Huq for a racist comment about the Chancellor, yet they continue to have Rosie Duffield who is part of a gender critical clique which also has JK Rowling and Graham Linehan who co-wrote Father Ted who share transphobic views, so I don't think Labour is as pro-Trans as they make out to be.

 

If you think Rowling and Duffield are transphobic then you’ve just jumped on a bandwagon without doing your homework or interrogating the facts

[Bic Basher]

Labour removed the whip from Rupa Huq for a racist comment about the Chancellor, yet they continue to have Rosie Duffield who is part of a gender critical clique which also has JK Rowling and Graham Linehan who co-wrote Father Ted who share transphobic views, so I don't think Labour is as pro-Trans as they make out to be.

 

If you think Rowling and Duffield are transphobic then you’ve just jumped on a bandwagon without doing your homework or interrogating the facts

 

Which is the typical response from a transphobe.

[HeadNun]

I support the rights of trans people, but I am against male-bodied people being allowed into women's changing rooms, toilets, prison wings and rape centres. I am against male-bodied people competing against women in sport. I am also against self-ID, where a man being able to say he identifies as a woman and throwing on a dress permits him to then walk into any female spaces he so pleases without scrutiny.

And I am against young children being told that the way out of their genuienly distressing gender dysphoria is to wear a breast binder and go on puberty blockers, without a SHIT TON of therapy first to find out the root of their dysphoria (which is often because they are gay and often autistic).

People who shout 'transphobe' at the first available opportunity tend to be the ones who cover their ears and shout 'la la la la I'm not listening', instead of engaging with this nuanced discussion in an adult way.

Luckily insidious orgs like Mermaids, who were grooming kids online, have finally had a light shone on their dubious behaviour.

Anyway, if anyone else is worried about their kids and / or their own access to what should be female-only spaces and wants to to form some sort of discussion group, you can DM me.

[ED Bird]

Labour removed the whip from Rupa Huq for a racist comment about the Chancellor, yet they continue to have Rosie Duffield who is part of a gender critical clique which also has JK Rowling and Graham Linehan who co-wrote Father Ted who share transphobic views, so I don't think Labour is as pro-Trans as they make out to be.

 

If you think Rowling and Duffield are transphobic then you’ve just jumped on a bandwagon without doing your homework or interrogating the facts

 

Which is the typical response from a transphobe.

 

You need to leave the confines of your basement & take a step into reality you absolute degenerate.

[Bic Basher]

If you think Rowling and Duffield are transphobic then you’ve just jumped on a bandwagon without doing your homework or interrogating the facts

 

Which is the typical response from a transphobe.

 

You need to leave the confines of your basement & take a step into reality you absolute degenerate.

 

Wow! All because I see people for who they are and not their private parts.

First it's racism, then homophobia and now in 2020s Britain transphobia has replaced homophobia as the socially acceptable form of hate.

[Bic Basher]

I support the rights of trans people, but I am against male-bodied people being allowed into women's changing rooms, toilets, prison wings and rape centres. I am against male-bodied people competing against women in sport. I am also against self-ID, where a man being able to say he identifies as a woman and throwing on a dress permits him to then walk into any female spaces he so pleases without scrutiny.

And I am against young children being told that the way out of their genuienly distressing gender dysphoria is to wear a breast binder and go on puberty blockers, without a SHIT TON of therapy first to find out the root of their dysphoria (which is often because they are gay and often autistic).

People who shout 'transphobe' at the first available opportunity tend to be the ones who cover their ears and shout 'la la la la I'm not listening', instead of engaging with this nuanced discussion in an adult way.

Luckily insidious orgs like Mermaids, who were grooming kids online, have finally had a light shone on their dubious behaviour.

Anyway, if anyone else is worried about their kids and / or their own access to what should be female-only spaces and wants to to form some sort of discussion group, you can DM me.

 

Still transphobia. Mermaids unlike the LGB Alliance and similar groups have done countless help for children and young people who are Trans.

[TheCat]

My two cents....

It isn't very helpful (problematic? 😜) when at the first questioning of what others unquestionably accept, some people immediately throw out the 'transphobe' label....

Many social left wingers seem to think that raising a concern about women's sport or women's spaces automatically means that the person complaiming believes that all trans women are predatory perverts....

I would guess that most people asking sensible, practical questions would also likely support trans people being who they want to be.... But the trans community doesnt live in a bubble... Surely society has to discuss legitimate concerns in a constructive way?

Just shutting down discussion with 'transphobe' or 'trans women are women' isn't very helpful in my view...

[Sephiroth]

“Many social left wingers”

Not that helpful in this debate to generalise so broadly. Plenty of right wingers are openly supportive of trans rights (and vice versa for all positions)

[Bic Basher]

The fact is most people don't care who they share changing rooms, toilets or other gender based rooms with.

It's the same nonsense that was being banded around about gay people sharing those facilities somehow being predatory (+ add children in the mix to increase the fear).

The vast majority of trans people simply want to get on with their day to day lives without having to endure prehistoric rhetoric which has been used to divide people for generations.

LGB Alliance, which seems to be the main trans-hate organisation in the UK despite claiming to be for homosexual people against trans people is made up of largely cisgender straight people with some having far-right tendencies.

[HeadNun]

The fact is most people don't care who they share changing rooms, toilets or other gender based rooms with.

It's the same nonsense that was being banded around about gay people sharing those facilities somehow being predatory (+ add children in the mix to increase the fear).

The vast majority of trans people simply want to get on with their day to day lives without having to endure prehistoric rhetoric which has been used to divide people for generations.

LGB Alliance, which seems to be the main trans-hate organisation in the UK despite claiming to be for homosexual people against trans people is made up of largely cisgender straight people with some having far-right tendencies.

 

I don’t know what sex you are but I’m telling you that I don’t know a single woman who wants a biological male in their private spaces or sports categories. Not a single female. None. And none of them is homophobic, in fact some of them are lesbians. If you’re female then you’re an anomaly, if you’re male then you’re an entitled misogynist and the main crux of this heinous problem.

And if you only see people “for who they are and not their private parts” then why do you support people changing their pronouns, identifying with stereotypical tropes of what male and female is, and potentially mutilating themselves beyond all repair? Surely the people who are against all this new religion (“transphobes”) are the ones who truly care about who people are and not what’s in their pants?

Go figure

[HeadNun]

Which is the typical response from a transphobe.

 

You need to leave the confines of your basement & take a step into reality you absolute degenerate.

 

Wow! All because I see people for who they are and not their private parts.

First it's racism, then homophobia and now in 2020s Britain transphobia has replaced homophobia as the socially acceptable form of hate.

 

No. This is the 2020's equivalent of the sexual abuse scandal in the catholic church / children's homes. Only difference will be that it wasn't covered up, it was actively encouraged by people who'd drunk the kool aid. And what's the collateral damage? Thousands of young people with double mastectomies, atrophied vaginas and wombs, infertility, changed voices, hair where they no longer want it... all without informed consent.

My father's a paediatrician (dealt with numerous intersex cases throughout his career), who started to get scared back in 2014. All letters to the Tavi, stonewalled, my brother's a doc, he's bewildered, same with my uncle, my cousin, all of them scientists and saying "the emperor is fucking naked", but you flat-earthers have no time for science. You know better.

[HeadNun]

“Many social left wingers”

Not that helpful in this debate to generalise so broadly. Plenty of right wingers are openly supportive of trans rights (and vice versa for all positions)

 

This issue spans the political spectrum. Most radical fems who are gender critical tend to be politically left-wing. But many right-wingers are against this new religion. It's possibly the only issue which both sides are united upon.

[Bic Basher]

“Many social left wingers”

Not that helpful in this debate to generalise so broadly. Plenty of right wingers are openly supportive of trans rights (and vice versa for all positions)

 

This issue spans the political spectrum. Most radical fems who are gender critical tend to be politically left-wing. But many right-wingers are against this new religion. It's possibly the only issue which both sides are united upon.

 

The far-left and the far-right have always had more that unites then than divides.

[Bic Basher]

The fact is most people don't care who they share changing rooms, toilets or other gender based rooms with.

It's the same nonsense that was being banded around about gay people sharing those facilities somehow being predatory (+ add children in the mix to increase the fear).

The vast majority of trans people simply want to get on with their day to day lives without having to endure prehistoric rhetoric which has been used to divide people for generations.

LGB Alliance, which seems to be the main trans-hate organisation in the UK despite claiming to be for homosexual people against trans people is made up of largely cisgender straight people with some having far-right tendencies.

 

I don’t know what sex you are but I’m telling you that I don’t know a single woman who wants a biological male in their private spaces or sports categories. Not a single female. None. And none of them is homophobic, in fact some of them are lesbians. If you’re female then you’re an anomaly, if you’re male then you’re an entitled misogynist and the main crux of this heinous problem.

And if you only see people “for who they are and not their private parts” then why do you support people changing their pronouns, identifying with stereotypical tropes of what male and female is, and potentially mutilating themselves beyond all repair? Surely the people who are against all this new religion (“transphobes”) are the ones who truly care about who people are and not what’s in their pants?

Go figure

 

All of this is textbook GC nonsense that continues to be banded around by a minority of people. If you get out of your echo chamber, the reality is much more neutral.

[TheCat]

The fact is most people don't care who they share changing rooms, toilets or other gender based rooms with.

It's the same nonsense that was being banded around about gay people sharing those facilities somehow being predatory (+ add children in the mix to increase the fear).

The vast majority of trans people simply want to get on with their day to day lives without having to endure prehistoric rhetoric which has been used to divide people for generations.

LGB Alliance, which seems to be the main trans-hate organisation in the UK despite claiming to be for homosexual people against trans people is made up of largely cisgender straight people with some having far-right tendencies.

 

I don’t know what sex you are but I’m telling you that I don’t know a single woman who wants a biological male in their private spaces or sports categories. Not a single female. None. And none of them is homophobic, in fact some of them are lesbians. If you’re female then you’re an anomaly, if you’re male then you’re an entitled misogynist and the main crux of this heinous problem.

And if you only see people “for who they are and not their private parts” then why do you support people changing their pronouns, identifying with stereotypical tropes of what male and female is, and potentially mutilating themselves beyond all repair? Surely the people who are against all this new religion (“transphobes”) are the ones who truly care about who people are and not what’s in their pants?

Go figure

 

All of this is textbook GC nonsense that continues to be banded around by a minority of people. If you get out of your echo chamber, the reality is much more neutral.

 

THE amusing part is that this entire quote could be reproduced for the 'other side'... Replace GC with something else is all...

[j.a.]

Ah, a trans debate that has descended into acrimony and name-calling.

Who’d a thunk it?

[malumbu]

It's complex, confusing, and controversial

I expect few of us are experts but at least this thread helps become a little better informed