Peckham Rye Station - rebuild

[mamafeelgood]

I'm 100% with Louisa on this one. Can't believe it even needs to be discussed, the station building is fantastic and hidden by a horrid, dank arcade. There's plenty of space on the lane for everything: station sqre, chains, independents and artists included. In a time of such awful cuts to public spending we should be cheering at the opportunity for regeneration that this scheme offers. Plus, everyone using the station or living/working locally will enjoy an improved environment.

[JohnL]

The council will probably wash it's hands of everything now it hasn't got it's way completely.

Hope not.

[jimmyraj]

I think there's pretty much universal agreement that opening up the station at the front and demolishing what are pretty universally thought of as dark, unapproachable, potentially unsafe, buildings and passage ways into what could be a nice square.

On the arches towards the rear, I think the point Peckham Vision made to the council is that it shouldn't be a wholesale clearout. They should work with existing businesses to see if it's appropriate for them to stay. Would agree that many of the arches are under utilised and some are not well kept - eg the first arch, formerly another evangelical 'church', or the second arch which is part of the Tara fabrication yard and full of junk (not salvage). Would obviously be good to encourage the artists, who have helped the area flourish to stay, but also Bar Storey. Would also be worthwhile having a mix of businesses that serve the whole community - so not just more cafes and galleries (and I say that as someone who likes both of those things - there is a limit though).

[david_carnell]

Who gets to decide what is appropriate?

I don't particularly care for the evangelical churches either but they clearly serve the community and are, at least, clean and tidy for the most part.

[grumpyoldman]

This is what it used to look like.

[jimmyraj]

I guess it depends who ends up being responsible for it - whether that is the council or someone else.

Re Evangelical churches. I take your point, but like betting shops, Peckham is somewhat overserved by them already.

[david_carnell]

Well, again, only to you.

Those betting shops wouldn't proliferate if people weren't using them. They wouldn't make money and they'd close. Likewise, for the churches, if no parishioners attended they would cease to be.

Horses for courses.

Whilst I'd love to see elements of Peckham change, it has a very different demographic to East Dulwich and should continue to serve those groups.

[jimmyraj]

Quite a free market approach. I don't think you can use that as the only reasoning behind what should be sites in the town centre.

Personal view. I'm also a Peckham resident and having my view too. Fully accept I don't represent everyone who lives in the area though

[Jeremy]

You can't just start saying "get rid of the scruffy dentists/betting shops/hairdressers", etc. The customers, employees, and owners are part of the local community too.

I am in completely in favour of restoring the station, but it needs to be done with sensitivity. Will existing businesses be given any assistance with relocation?

[Nigello]

You are affording rights to owners who are not worthy of them, Jeremy. Why should we pussy-foot around with those who break the law (littering, illegally parking etc) just because they are providing a service (AKA 'making money') and are part of - that old chestnut - 'the local community' ? The Lane is ill-policed and it should no be so.

I do shop there from time to time - at Argos, one of the pound shops, Holland and Barrett but don't spend too much time there as it is often congested and, well, down-at-heel. Hearing ear-splitting sounds being pumped out of shops is a major turn-off, too.

Install best practise, fine those who don't do so, and the place would improve markedly even before megabucks are spent.

[Charles Notice]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> You can't just start saying "get rid of the

> scruffy dentists/betting shops/hairdressers", etc.

> The customers, employees, and owners are part of

> the local community too.

>

> I am in completely in favour of restoring the

> station, but it needs to be done with sensitivity.

> Will existing businesses be given any assistance

> with relocation?

Perhaps the residents of Ed with the perhaps backing of Cllr Barber could extend the hand of friendship and and put in place a relocation plan that makes sure all those displaced would be offered any empty shops on LL at affordable rents

Why should Peckham have all these wonderful businesses

LL does lack Nailshops. hair extension shops opened fronted meat and fish shops and masses of rubbish.

This could turn LL in a shopping destination

Peckham residents need better.

[Jeremy]

Some Peckham residents like nail bars and hair extensions.

[Girl82]

grumpyoldman Wrote:

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> This is what it used to look like.

Wow - that is very sad. I so hope the council will be able to restore it to that level with the public square at the front. Yes the scary dentist and the jerk chicken shop might serve some members of the community, but I personally think they are a minority, compared to the number of people who would benefit from and enjoy a lovely new public square.

[Girl82]

JohnL Wrote:

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> The council will probably wash it's hands of

> everything now it hasn't got it's way completely.

>

> Hope not.

Agreed - that's what I'm worried about. I just hope the folks at Peckham Vision haven't squandered a very valuable opportunity here.

[ontheedge]

From what I hear it's actually a very good dentists

[Girl82]

ontheedge Wrote:

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> From what I hear it's actually a very good

> dentists

Source? :D

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

Would somebody please let me know if my lovely dentist is demolished. It may look shite from outside, but I can assure you they are tremendously professional, knowledgeable and jolly good at not belittling this coward.

[JohnL]

One of our own posters articles here .. note the phrase "Under present regulations, bookies are allowed only four machines per shop. They simply open more stores to sidestep the rules."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2103218/When-bookies-common-post-offices-Britain-major-problem-High-Street-campaigner-Rowenna-Davis.html

david_carnell Wrote:

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> Well, again, only to you.

>

> Those betting shops wouldn't proliferate if people

> weren't using them. They wouldn't make money and

> they'd close. Likewise, for the churches, if no

> parishioners attended they would cease to be.

>

> Horses for courses.

>

> Whilst I'd love to see elements of Peckham change,

> it has a very different demographic to East

> Dulwich and should continue to serve those groups.

[The Minkey]

I had to use that dentist when I had complications that set in from a dental abscess. My GP said I needed emergency treatment and it was the only place open on a Saturday. I was apprehensive because it looked so scruffy outside but the dentist was very good. Don't judge their competence by what the building looks like.

[ontheedge]

Girl82 Wrote:

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> ontheedge Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

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> > From what I hear it's actually a very good

> > dentists

>

>

> Source? :D

Several friends who go there

[Girl82]

Well on closer reading of Peckham Vision's website, it seems that the public square at the front of the station is going ahead, but the businesses in the arches behind will be saved! Sounds good.

[Chillaxed]

Who's that then JohnL?

JohnL Wrote:

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> One of our own posters articles here

[LondonMix]

It would be nice if the same regeneration money that certain ED shops received to smarten up were provided to the shops under the arches.

[charliecharlie]

on a general note, please please please can we NOT call it a plaza or piazza... it's Peckham and we don't do poncey....

Place, square and even gateway (just about thug where the gate is I don't know!) a fine words...

xxcc

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

Place de Peckham is fine by me.

Peckham Square would seem to be where Canal Head is, so that one's taken.