Derelict Grove Tavern

[Dean Connell]

I started a new topic and would love to see you all pop over to help me- I think some excellent ideas are here. I'm keen to get in touch with the lease owners. 

 

Edited February 24 by Dean Connell

[ab29]

I would turn it into a green space.

Having Dulwich Park nearby is not an excuse.

Why should residents of Dulwich Village, having Dulwich Junction closed, turned into "piazza" and refurbished multiple times (no end to this btw cause Southwark council apparently has millions to waste) use it as an excuse? 

People living in the area have to put up with a very high level of:

- Air pollution

- Noise

- Anti social behaviour

How about transferring the skate park from the Grove Tavern parking  lot to Dulwich Village?

Kind of idea how to sort the derelict Tavern 🙂

Edited February 24 by ab29

[jazzer]

  On 24/02/2025 at 11:10, Dean Connell said:

I started a new topic and would love to see you all pop over to help me- I think some excellent ideas are here. I'm keen to get in touch with the lease owners. 

 

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Can you share your ideas for the site, please? So the residents can have an idea of what your ideas/plans consist of.

[ab29]

Sorry Jazzer, not a Q for me but I would plant lots and lots of trees and turn it into green space - no dogs - just nature, as much as possible on an A road 🙂

Edited February 24 by ab29

[jazzer]

ab,  - fair enough, we all have our own thoughts, I'm interested to see what Dean has in mind.

[malumbu]

  On 24/02/2025 at 13:35, ab29 said:

I would turn it into a green space.

Having Dulwich Park nearby is not an excuse.

Why should residents of Dulwich Village, having Dulwich Junction closed, turned into "piazza" and refurbished multiple times (no end to this btw cause Southwark council apparently has millions to waste) use it as an excuse? 

People living in the area have to put up with very high level of:

- Air pollution

- Noise

- Anti social behaviour

How about transferring the skate park from the Grove Tavern parking  lot to Dulwich Village?

Kind of idea how to sort the derelict Tavern 🙂

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Not many people live in the immediate area and it's been polluted for decades - less so now cars are cleaner.  Not that it is good to live next to a busy road but anyone buying or renting in the area will be well aware 

A word of advice - laying into Southwark ie making negative comments will distract from positive suggestions.

Me?  I'd like the Grove tavern to be a community space and,/or social housing.

[ab29]

"Not many people live in the imediate area" - eh?? Me!

"Been polluted for decades" - so we do what - we should die and stop being a problem?

  On 24/02/2025 at 15:40, malumbu said:

Not many people live in the immediate area and it's been polluted for decades - less so now cars are cleaner.  Not that it is good to live next to a busy road but anyone buying or renting in the area will be well aware 

A word of advice - laying into Southwark ie making negative comments will distract from positive suggestions.

Me?  I'd like the Grove tavern to be a community space and,/or social housing.

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Removed uncalled for insult against forum member - warning given

[Cyclemonkey]

I think it should be knocked down and new social housing built on the site.

[jazzer]

Depends on who can afford to purchase or lease it and what The Dulwich Estate, Stonegate and Southwark Council will allow to be built or operate on the site. Whatever it is, it needs to attract footfall for itself and businesses around it.

The question to ask is what does that part of Dulwich need, that is not within the locality, which will attract custom and footfall, that the site can accommodate and that can offer parking which it already has available. In between Cox's Walk, Dulwich Village, Dulwich College and the park, some sort of establishment that sells drinks and meals. Bit then I'm just chucking ideas around, or maybe someone, Dean, has some radical idea's to take it in a totally different direction.   

Whatever it becomes it has to be better than the rotting site and eyesore it currently is. Good luck to anyone who takes on the project to redevelop the former Grove Tavern. 

[Earl Aelfheah]

It might work as some sort of community space. Perhaps a softplay (easy access from the south circular, with parking), or arts centre.

Or much needed housing.

... would like to see the skatepark retained.

[alice]

Southwark is closing youth centres day centres they’re not going to spend millions on opening a new community space. What that area needs is a good supermarket. The nearest one is Sainsbury’s in Forest Hill. someone else may well know of the mechanism where a council can make a compulsory purchase. So the supermarket underneath with three or four stories of social housing long top built in the same style as the Dulwich estate.Next door. 

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[jazzer]

Agreed, the skate park should remain, especially with all the work those involved have put in to get it up, running and maintaining that enthusiasm.  

[Sue]

  On 24/02/2025 at 15:40, malumbu said:

Not many people live in the immediate area and it's been polluted for decades - less so now cars are cleaner.  Not that it is good to live next to a busy road but anyone buying or renting in the area will be well aware 

A word of advice - laying into Southwark ie making negative comments will distract from positive suggestions.

Me?  I'd like the Grove tavern to be a community space and,/or social housing.

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But there are loads of flats next to it, and loads of houses opposite it?

What would you call " not many people"?

[malumbu]

Not sure why air quality came into discussion on this thread.  There are a few houses on the opposite side of the road closish to the South Circ (they all have longish front gardens).  The low level blocks of flats are set a fair way from the roads (LL and Dulwich Common).  A few other houses are on the opposite side of the road going towards Forest Hill.  It's not a densely populated area.  As said, pollutant emissions from motor vehicles have reduced due to tougher standards, for nitrogen oxides particularly since the VW cheating scandal with test procedures now far closer to the real world and can no longer be got round. The Mayor should also be congratulated for extending the ULEZ.  People tend to think about the outer boroughs, but previously the boundary was within the North and South Circs so any old vehicle could use these roads.

Anyway, just pointing out.  Not that material to  the Grove Tavern thread.  You could have similar concerns about air pollution for any place on the south Circ including parks, and other recreational facilities which can be found along Dulwich common.

Edited February 25 by malumbu

[Pugwash]

Premier Inn or Travel Lodge.

Social Housing with genuine affordable rents. 

[OutOfFocus]

  On 25/02/2025 at 15:52, Pugwash said:

Travel Lodge

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Or travelodge (what's an odge?)