man attacked in dulwich park today II.30am by two men with scary dog

[Rianoo]

@DulwichBornandBred

I take it the utter idiot comment was in reference to myself. I only asked for the full story. Which eventually came. Anyone can post on here that something "bad" happened to thenselves or partner and then we can all agree how bad it must have been. Yet, I will always play devils advocate as we do not know the full circumstances. If I am an idiot for that then let the lynch mobs out.

[JohnL]

Still sounds like classic 'roid rage' over reaction to a small comment.

Lots of it around where I used to live - so I recognize it.

[Rianoo]

@JohnL

Could "possibly" be, but we have ascertained that they both had beer bellies. Going on that I would assume that they are not much into "roids", unless recreational, which would be a bit strange.

[Dulwich Born And Bred]

The utter idiot was in reference to the few forum users who just have to pick holes and issues with posters on the forum .

You can come on here saying someone attacked you and you get these people turning the thread around to make it as if they asked to be attacked.

It's not necessary as they don't need to justify themselves. Who cares whether he did or didn't say something that got their backs up ? Violence isn't the answer , who cares if the dog should be called scary or not ? It was scary to them and that is that .

It has been reported . Seems like there was witnesses so the OP doesn't deserve the judge and jury treatment .

[Penguin68]

Although I clearly have no evidence at all for this - 2 thugs as described, in S London, immediately following the Millwall led fighting at Wembley the day before - it wouldn't surprise me to hear that these were local 'fans' still fired up from the bust-up on Saturday and ready to go-off on one at the drop of a hat, particularly considering their team had lost a semi-final. This, make it clear, is not an accusation, there is, as I have said, no evidence that these were Millwall, or indeed any type of football fan, but the spacial and temporal proximity of the events could conceiveably have additionally a causality link.

[TillieTrotter]

That sort of assumption can really cause trouble Penguin.

[Rianoo]

Point taken.

A dog off lead, was it close to the perpetrators when the incident happened ? How did the jogger come close to the perpetrators to be hit - apparently they were out of shape so he could have carried on jogging ? The park was very busy - yet no one who witnessed this incident called the police. You may see this as picking holes but if someone had called the police then these are the questions that would be asked in a court. As I said I will keep an eye out for them and use my phone. If no one calls the police then nothing changes - its a bit late when all you are going to do is report it. No witnesses - no case. So we just post it on here and then we can all be wary that when when jogging we may bump into their dog - if it happens to me I will stroke it.

[Penguin68]

That sort of assumption can really cause trouble Penguin.

In what way? (and indeed, how?)- it wasn't an assumption - I made it clear that it was an hypothesis presented without evidence - but a violent incident in S London immediately followed a series of violent incidents preciptated by people supporting a S London (and local) football team. I made it clear that I had no evidence that the thugs involved were even football fans, let alone Millwall fans.

But this appears to be a rage driven piece of mindless violence - as were, as reported, the incidents at Wembley.

Or are you anticipating that the large number of Millwall fans who read this Forum will not understand the concept of hypothesis and will somehow kick off a set of violent acts in order to demonstrate that they are not that sort of person?

[Rianoo]

@Penguin

"immediately" following the Millwall led fighting at Wembley the "day before". Put down the Daily Mail please. ;-)

[Penguin68]

I am not, and have never been, a reader of the Daily mail.

We have had two incidences of what appears to be mindless violence, one in S London, one deriving from S London links, which happened close in time (within 24 hours of each other). I would prefer to think that one was an emotional overspill from the other rather than assuming that there is an infinite regression of mindless thugs in operation. Of course, I don't know that this is true, but I am hypothesising, but not offering any evidence, that this might be so.

The facts of mindless violence appear clear, one was widely reported, the other only reported here, but to my mind very credibly. The perpetrators, by description, of the second, are at least credible as being part of the demographic involved in the first set of violence.

Of course, violent thugs in S London are not all Millwall fans, of course most Millwall fans are not violent thugs but it does seem clear that the two sets - violent thugs in S London and Millwall fans do have some intersect. People already wound-up by one incident seem, psychologically, to be more likely to expand their sphere of violence than, everything else being equal, those not already wound-up.

[Rianoo]

Apparently they were wearing "England" tops, not local or Milwall. And being that it happened the next day they were probably a bit hungover to start a fight or walk the dog. Wembley is NW London. But we can paint a picture, hypothetically.

[Frenchpolisher]

The issue isn't dog, child or bike, it's lack of respect for other people. Unfortunately in some people this is taken to such extremes that they feel anything they disagree with entitles them to become abusive or violent. I'm sorry to hear this happened and feel very much for the original poster and her boyfriend. Whatever the victim may or may not have said (within reason) there was no excuse for the attackers to use violence.

I was in the park with two of my children from 9:30 until around 13:30. While on that path my daughter mentioned a fight but I didn't see anything and thought she was talking about two dogs, maybe she was as this was about an hour earlier. I hope you both recover from the shock and that these idiots are caught and charged.

DJKQ, unfortunately threads like this will always get hijacked when they touch on a subject people feel passionate about. Some problems involving dogs, children, frisbees or whatever are down to absentmindedness or wandering attention. Sometimes these things can be avoided while at others it's just modern life. However, as I said earlier the biggest issue is the inability of some park users to respect others. Some people want to live life their way and ignore the fact that this can impact on others. Whether you use the park to run, cycle, play football, fly a kite, birdwatch, play with the kids or walk the dog, it's up to you to respect that there are others doing something else.

I was in the park today. I spoke to a nice polite lady about her dog being off the lead in an area where signs say that dogs should be on a short lead. Despite the signs she felt there was no good reason for her to do so at this time of the year. Like I said, she was polite, I hope I was, but by ignoring the signs she was exhibiting that same lack of respect. If calm, polite people feel they can ignore the rules, what hope is there?

[edhistory]

Frenchpolisher Wrote:

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> If calm, polite people feel they

> can ignore the rules, what hope is there?

Not "rules", but bye-laws, subject to a penalty and criminal record on conviction.

John K

[Rianoo]

I guess that from what has been discussed we should make an effort to call the police if we are involved in an altercation that has been unduly brought upon us or that if we witness an incident then do the same. In that way we can be safe in the knowledge that as a South East London community we can be seen to care for one another. We can bicker about it later, once the facts are proved.

[Jimi Henrdrix07]

I witnessed a road rage incident in Dulwich Village and the driver pulled out an extended baton on a cyclist - got number plate - driver will be getting a visit from police. If we all thought we could getaway with crime and injustice what sort of society would that be? SO CALL THE POLICE -but there are those in society that are not legally inclined as witnessed in Walworth Road last week after a Bank Robbery when the money blew onto the road and the traffic came to a complete stop as people/members of the public/citizens ran onto the road collecting the monies like a scrum as reported in the Southwark News newspaper.

[richard tudor]

Being nosy, what happened

[Jimi Henrdrix07]

That's all you need to know Richard Tudor no more details to offer!

[Dulwich Born And Bred]

I think the sun is causing people to go mad , Goose Green park today and an owner from a pub/cafe came to the park armed with a piece of wood for protection to reclaim an ashtray he said a man has stolen from his pub/cafe . Totally unnecessary the struggle between them both over a glass ashtray :/ thankfully it didn't come to blows but in a park ( the man who apparently took the ashtray was in the park with his woman and child)

The owner of said ashtray drove away chased by the couple who were adamant its their ashtray .

Bizarre and surreal .

[Rianoo]

You should have called the coppers. ;-) ;-)

[Mscrawthew]

Sorry to hear about the incident involving your boyfriend and I hope is ok but I would just like to ask you to consider how you have described a dog that did not attack, maim or even growl at your boyfriend by the sounds of things and certainly didn`t join in when his uncontrolable "owners" decided to attack your boyfriend. All of a sudden it has turned into a pitbull terrier (unproven as most people wouldn`t know a pitbull terrier if they did fall over one) who has been accused of being dangerous when it infact was off lead because of the "type" of owner it had and infact the owners were dangerous and not the dog?

[TeriG]

Thanks all - can I reiterate just that if anyone else was in the park on sunday and saw those concerned to continue to contact me on private messaging.

I really dont want to get drawn into the debates around park users/dog walkers etc - it's a free country and anyone (with or without pets) is allowed to be in a public park; NO ONE though, has the right to punch and kick an innocent person - that is outright GBH and is ILLEGAL.

I would hate to think it could happen to another park user - hence my post.

As stated elsewhere, I am aware that others saw the perpetrators, who appeared to be abusive to other park users on sunday as well (I dont think they were drunk)- so I have no idea what their "gripe" was and if they were football supporters or not.

The title of the post is "scary dog" - even to me, as an adult, I gave it a wide berth - goodness knows how it would appear in the eyes of a child; in the area it was in it should have been on a short lead.

[Carpgirl]

As a runner, mother & dog owner my children would not be afraid of what is perceived on this thread to be a "scary dog." They have not been raised in fear...they have been raised to love & respect all life forms whether human or animal...and to share our space with them!

I'm sorry to hear about your partner & I hope he is ok. As a runner I don't always see what is in front of me, small child, human, bike, dog etc. & I don't think my right to run in the park is any greater than a dogs...peace x

[TonyQuinn]

Carpgirl, I think TeriG could do without your commiserations. In all my years on this forum, I don't think I have ever read such a pompous post. Your kids are not raised in fear, they've been raised to love & respect all life forms whether human or animal. What tripe! TeriG says her boyfriend was attacked by a scary dog....QED it was a scary dog. Anyway, the point is TeriG's partner did the right thing and reported the incident to the police and I hope these bullies get their comeuppance.

[first mate]

TeriG,

Please let us know if there is any more news about these thugs and whether the police manage to find them. It seems reasonbaly clear that had it not been for the awful human on human violence you probably wouldn't have posted on the matter. I hope your b/f recovers and is able to continue to enjoy a jog in the park in future.

[Dulwich Squirrel]

TonyQuinn - I totally agree with you. A few individuals have come out with some very bizarre comments on this thread.