Celebrate the passing of Ms Thatcher

[woodrot]

make it stop.

[Mick Mac]

rgutsell Wrote:

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> Hiya all

>

> Good discussion but......my suggestion waa that we

> meet for celebration.

>

> Howabout about a pub; lets say the Magdalene, next

> wednesday?

>

> Yours

>

> RNGutsell

Yer having a laugh....

[Jah Lush]

She can rot in hell for all I care.

[the-e-dealer]

I would celebrate with a street party say. Not her Death but the fact she is no longer likely to be in power EVER AGAIN.

To paraphrase

Rejoice, Rejoice The Grimm Reaper has been and done a good job.

[numbers]

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> Dulwich Squirrel Wrote:

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> > That's awful. Poor form indeed - don't speak

> I'll

> > of the dead.

>

> I have never understood that. Should we extend

> that courtesy to everyone - What about Jimmy

> Saville?

you know I think this 'don't speak ill of the dead' thing is a red herring. People on both sides seem to be (deliberately) confusing this issue.

there's a world of difference between discussing the impact of Thatcherism on the political landscape of the UK and how it has affected us all, whatever side of the fence you're on and then there's the vile glorification of her death.

using your savile example, if the majority* of the public had been aware of his horrific crimes when he was alive they'd have been in a position to do something/protest about it. those people who were alive at the time when Thatcher was in power, or indeed those who weren't but subsequently feel they've been adversely affected (or not) by it are able to do something about it. as I think rosieh alluded to, why not focus as much effort in ousting the current lot from power.

*majority because some people apparently knew what he was up to.

[the-e-dealer]

What Time and WHERE?

rgutsell Wrote:

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> Hiya all

>

> Anyone fancy a celebration for the end of La

> Thatcher?

>

> In thoroughly bad taste of course! "Thank God

> she's gone"

>

> I am already sick to my stomache with the

> impending media sycophancy and glorification.

>

> Yours

>

> RN Gutsell

[Mick Mac]

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> Dulwich Squirrel Wrote:

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> > That's awful. Poor form indeed - don't speak

> I'll

> > of the dead.

>

> I have never understood that. Should we extend

> that courtesy to everyone - What about Jimmy

> Saville?

>numbers wrote:

>you know I think this 'don't speak ill of the dead' thing is a red herring. People on both sides seem to be >(deliberately) confusing this issue.

Its a simple point, "dont speak ill of the dead" is a nonsense. Hitler was a complete cunt. There I've done it, I've spoken ill of the dead. I feel terrible.

[El Pibe]

Nicely predicted!!

 

[the-e-dealer]

Should be mourning her death? Why?

[El Pibe]

Meaning inclined to, but doing something else. Obtuse?

[Burbage]

Lowlander Wrote:

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> Anyway this thread is about the morals of

> celebrating death.

That's a wider and somewhat theological subject. And a little late, given the national Death-celebrating holiday happened last week. It's also a debate that won't be resolving itself soon. Not least because Death, as well as being the inevitable aim of all of us, is a useful phenomenon in its own right. The fear of a compliance-dependent 'afterlife' has probably served its term, but Death as a tool for removing dissatisfaction remains popular in many parts of the world, not least Switzerland.

Celebrating Thatcher's death in particular won't be any skin off her nose, so it won't matter. It might upset the family, but they're supposed to be upset already. On the other hand, we won't be have to pay for her protection any more, or fund her public duties (an extra ?100k a year in Thatcher's case). And, of course, the funeral trade's been pushing prices well above inflation for a while now, so the sooner the better, at least for those who are paying for it.

Even if the celebrations are motivated by hate (which should only be a concern if you imagine hate has any influence over the dead) they may bring people together in collective joy, which can hardly be a bad thing and, it should hardly need pointing out, will go a lot further than any of the coalition's attempts to engineer happiness.

[the-e-dealer]

What about People not Mourning her death but not gloating?

[Otta]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> Agree with JohnL and Lowlander... I've no problem

> speaking ill of her, she was tremendously

> unpopular when she was still alive, so why should

> that change now? But talk of celebration is

> pointless and rather juvenile, she'd had no

> influence for many years, her death doesn't

> suddenly make the world a better place.

Exactly!

I have no issue with people saying she was a cow, and she did bad things. What I find a bit weird is people saying "I hope she suffered", and "I'm glad she's dead". What she did, she did in the 80s, and her lageacy was made then. That career ended in the early 90s, and people had every right to celebrate that.

The probably lonely old woman who apparently hadn't been able to remember who people were for the last few years was doing no more harm to any of you than any other old woman.

[El Pibe]

take it up with Martin Belam t.e.d., I'm sure he'll be thrilled.

[LondonMix]

Agree with Jeremey, Otta et al.

[the-e-dealer]

Good to see you have the Courage of someone else's convictions

El Pibe Wrote:

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> take it up with Martin Belam t.e.d., I'm sure

> he'll be thrilled.

[Otta]

Stop being a cock t.e.d. it's tiresome.

[El Pibe]

wot otta said (see what I did there?)

[Mick Mac]

Personally I remember being absolutley delighted when she resigned. But that was partly because I was a Labour supporter then.

Her death just gives an opportunity to have a debate and review her "achievements". I certainly am not happy bout her dying and fail to see how anyone coule be. Her demise was when she was voted out by her cabinet, eventually, thank god.

[edw]

The time to celebrate was in 1990 (or maybe 1997). Celebrating now is just silly. It's understandable enough to rejoice at the death of a former tyrant whom you've just deposed, like Gaddafi...but this is an old woman who left office over twenty years ago.

"Take that Maggie, you died of natural causes at a ripe old age, hahahaha!!! Betcha didn't see that coming!"

[El Pibe]

Quite, I was there (though too young to remember) when my dad popped some champagne by the roadside as Franco's state funeral cortege made its way past our house on the way to Valle de los Ca?dos.

That was someone who really killed fathers.

But dad always said it will be a cause of eternal shame that Franco* died peacefully in his bed.

*for years I actually thought "the bastard" was his official epithet like William before him.

[Gerrard]

I despair at the media's wall to wall coverage over the past week, frankly I am bored sick of it now. But what dismays me even more were the pictures of the twentysomething fools dancing in Brixton and Glasgow, people that probably only have a very basic and vague idea of who she was and what she stood for.

[Mick Mac]

That's socialist workers for you Gerrard. Their predecessors have grown up and are now voting Tory. ;)

[Otta]

Absolutely! I'm mid 30s, and I am too young to have really had strong feelings about her, the type of feelings that I don't think you can really have unless you were in some way affected at the time.

Anyone in their 20s celebrating her death just needs a slap quite frankly

edw Wrote:

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> The time to celebrate was in 1990 (or maybe 1997).

Think how all those who celebrated in '97 must have felt by the time Blair jumped.

[Vicanna]

I suppose in the end the pie chart posted earlier outlined the inevitable: the youth of today's ignorance of her actual policies; and her informed detractors' hesitant cowardice when presented with the opportunity to actually celebrate her death. Besides the handful of clueless losers altering the Ritzy's billboard after drinking the booze they'd shoplifted earlier, it seems that the vast majority of her opponents opted to stay indoors and stew in their own impotent bitterness.