GMav Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Hi All Transport for London are proposing to remove our route 12 Bus Dulwich Library - Oxford Circus i have just started a petition to try to convince them that they need to keep the 12 Bus route please see attached for link to petition - please pass onto as many people as you can or print off page, we have less than six weeks before the consultation period endsregardsGeorge Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309871-petition-to-save-no-12-bus-route/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMav Posted June 1, 2022 Author Share Posted June 1, 2022 Please see link below!https://chng.it/hgH4BfPJJh Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309871-petition-to-save-no-12-bus-route/#findComment-1583037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asset Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 It used to go to all the way to Notting Hill. They reduced that part years ago. Would be a shame for the route to go altogether. Not like there are loads of buses servicing the area already 🙄Petition signed Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309871-petition-to-save-no-12-bus-route/#findComment-1583060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigello Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 We have lots of buses, Asset. We have three routes along nearly all of LL, then the smaller routes (P4, 485, P13, P12 etc.) and the Rye Lane routes down to E and C and beyond. I agree it is not a good idea to take away this route but to pretend we don't have a decent if not good number of routes is wrong. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309871-petition-to-save-no-12-bus-route/#findComment-1583061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulwich Born And Bred Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 The 12 is the closest bus stop to my mum that takes her to St Thomas plus Oxford Circus. Not everyone is on the other bus route. The 12 is iconic too. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309871-petition-to-save-no-12-bus-route/#findComment-1583097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLeaf Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 It looks like it will be replaced by 148 according to this article: https://www.mylondon.news/lifestyle/travel/london-bus-routes-tfl-plans-24107649"After Camberwell Road, Medlar Street, the 148 would turn left and follow the old route of the 12 to Dulwich Library instead of terminating at Camberwell Green"So we will still have the route in some form though I wonder what the frequency will be. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309871-petition-to-save-no-12-bus-route/#findComment-1583100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigello Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 The one-four-eight will pick up the slack. TfL is a costly thing to run so I can understand where the thinking is on this. I do think there are too many buses at certain times, resulting in bunching and extended journey times, which is good for noone and not the environment, either - static or near static diesel buses end to end is not a good look for TfL which is keen to burnish its green(ish) credentials. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309871-petition-to-save-no-12-bus-route/#findComment-1583101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLeaf Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 By the way, it may be more effective to complete the official survey: https://haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/busreview Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309871-petition-to-save-no-12-bus-route/#findComment-1583105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigello Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 BlueLeaf Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> By the way, it may be more effective to complete> the official survey:> https://haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/busreviewAgreed - waffling and whining on here is never likely to effect positive change. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309871-petition-to-save-no-12-bus-route/#findComment-1583110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMav Posted June 2, 2022 Author Share Posted June 2, 2022 Good shout - it is on the link within the flyer but not clear. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309871-petition-to-save-no-12-bus-route/#findComment-1583115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mabaker Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 What's not good for the environment is having a reduced bus service making the car more attractive. What about those people who have mobility issues and find it difficult to hop on and off buses, let alone to keep changing along the route. Petition signed Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309871-petition-to-save-no-12-bus-route/#findComment-1583123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacqui5254 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 Mabaker Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> What's not good for the environment is having a> reduced bus service making the car more> attractive. What about those people who have> mobility issues and find it difficult to hop on> and off buses, let alone to keep changing along> the route. Petition signed This. Petition signed also. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309871-petition-to-save-no-12-bus-route/#findComment-1583143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPR Dave Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 Good luck George Tfl is a ******* disgrace Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309871-petition-to-save-no-12-bus-route/#findComment-1583189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzer Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 That's why A Cross borough/cross party approach is needed to tackle this latest set of proposals. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309871-petition-to-save-no-12-bus-route/#findComment-1583197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPR Dave Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 So we need to cancel having a party political Mayor of London? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309871-petition-to-save-no-12-bus-route/#findComment-1583199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewWave Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 Nigello Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> We have lots of buses, Asset. We have three routes> along nearly all of LL, then the smaller routes> (P4, 485, P13, P12 etc.) and the Rye Lane routes> down to E and C and beyond. > I agree it is not a good idea to take away this> route but to pretend we don't have a decent if not> good number of routes is wrong.These routes are useless for those of us who work in the Central west end.The 176 more often than not seems to stop short at Waterloo and those of us who work in retail and catering rely heavily on the 12 to get us to and from work at a price we can afford. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309871-petition-to-save-no-12-bus-route/#findComment-1583308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewWave Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 Mabaker Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> What's not good for the environment is having a> reduced bus service making the car more> attractive. What about those people who have> mobility issues and find it difficult to hop on> and off buses, let alone to keep changing along> the route. Petition signedAmen to this! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309871-petition-to-save-no-12-bus-route/#findComment-1583310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 Don't worry CauliflowerEar, half term is almost over and you can immerse yourself back in studying for your 11 plus again. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309871-petition-to-save-no-12-bus-route/#findComment-1583549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 Sorry, you aren't 11... my mistake you act older then you are... Good luck going to big boys school in September. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309871-petition-to-save-no-12-bus-route/#findComment-1583557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewWave Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 Cauliflowerear Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> The 12 is> > iconic too.> > Iconic? No it isnt, catch yourself on. Its just> another bus that hardly anyone outside of East> Dulwich really cares about. Once you are a few> stops up the road to Peckham, there are loads of> other buses going the same way you can jump on,> which is probably exactly why its getting canned.No everyone wants to have to change busses to get to work...it means paying twice and what's more holding down a job in the current climate is stressful enough without it taking me over an hour and two busses to get to an from work.i daresay you work from home and have a nice 40k+PA job..its the 'little people' like myself that have to worry about public transport and not clocking in late. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309871-petition-to-save-no-12-bus-route/#findComment-1583572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 Cauliflowerear Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> The 12 is> > iconic too.> > Iconic? No it isnt, catch yourself on. Its just> another bus that hardly anyone outside of East> Dulwich really cares about. Once you are a few> stops up the road to Peckham, there are loads of> other buses going the same way you can jump on,> which is probably exactly why its getting canned.Actually 12 goes via Camberwell whilst the 63s, 78s and 343s don't. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309871-petition-to-save-no-12-bus-route/#findComment-1583631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 They are talking about extending the 148 to cover Peckham->Camberwell I notice after reading the whole thread . Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309871-petition-to-save-no-12-bus-route/#findComment-1583632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidKruger Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 I just saw a no.12 going South down Lordship Lane.Is it re-routed as part of the proposed changes ?(apols if I've missed something) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309871-petition-to-save-no-12-bus-route/#findComment-1583673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 KidKruger Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I just saw a no.12 going South down Lordship> Lane.> Is it re-routed as part of the proposed changes ?> (apols if I've missed something)Either the drivers been to Megan's on route or the bus is in the way to the start point at the library 🤔 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309871-petition-to-save-no-12-bus-route/#findComment-1583679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldilocks Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 Just on this idea of paying twice - hopper fares mean that you can get on unlimited busses within 1 hour and only pay once. It has actually really helped with bus travel for me, especially on routes like vauxhall to ED - means can take a 36 and then change at Camberwell for the multiple options there for example.NewWave Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Cauliflowerear Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote:> >> --------------------------------------------------> > > -----> > The 12 is> > > iconic too.> > > > Iconic? No it isnt, catch yourself on. Its just> > another bus that hardly anyone outside of East> > Dulwich really cares about. Once you are a few> > stops up the road to Peckham, there are loads> of> > other buses going the same way you can jump on,> > which is probably exactly why its getting> canned.> > No everyone wants to have to change busses to get> to work...it means paying twice and what's more> holding down a job in the current climate is> stressful enough without it taking me over an hour> and two busses to get to an from work.> i daresay you work from home and have a nice> 40k+PA job..its the 'little people' like myself> that have to worry about public transport and not> clocking in late. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/309871-petition-to-save-no-12-bus-route/#findComment-1583688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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