Gross women

[UncleBen]

Louisa is quite correct. Acceptance of selfish behaviour in public does not make that behaviour acceptable. Women applying make up on the train in the mornings says so much about the tawdry mentality of that person. Most of the make up products are tested on animals also which makes it more offensive to be done in public. Make up applying in public is simply 'ladette' behaviour and is nothing to be proud of.

[Voyageur]

UncleBen Wrote:

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> Louisa is quite correct. Acceptance of selfish

> behaviour in public does not make that behaviour

> acceptable. Women applying make up on the train in

> the mornings says so much about the tawdry

> mentality of that person. Most of the make up

> products are tested on animals also which makes it

> more offensive to be done in public. Make up

> applying in public is simply 'ladette' behaviour

> and is nothing to be proud of.

Absolute rubbish. If I was smoking in someone's face or playing music loudly and irritatingly on public transport then I can understand offence being given. If someone is offended by my touching up my lipstick on a train then they perhaps ought to see a psychiatrist. Or maybe stop rudely staring at me and any other women who might be applying lip salve or hand moisturiser and mind your own business. Your behaviour offends me.

[UncleBen]

It's not the odd touching up lippy that may have worn off-it's the whole application of war paint from the undercoat to the gloss finish.

[PaulK]

Voyageur get over yourself. No ones talking about you putting on lipstick or moisturising your hands. Read the first post.

[DJKillaQueen]

Louisa Wrote:

> Interesting to note for DJKQ, I have come across

> numerous websites all of which have good examples

> of how foods, cosmetics and certain materials can

> lead to health and safety issues in a public

> space.

Really Louisa...because the only health and safety mandates I can find are for environments that manufacture such items (which is understandable). Can't find a single report highlighting the serious danger that the use of or wearing of makeup/ leather in a public space poses to the public...

Now if you want to give credit to your argument then provide evidence. You can't just make things up and claim evidence exists when it doesn't.

It's like the deaths you claim to have happened Louisa????? You have to either validate that claim with hard fact, or retract it. No-one has died because they shared a bus or train with a person wearing makeup or leather, or high heels for that matter........and you know it.

That's my issue with your argument, not your view (because you are entitled to that) but the examples you use to illustrate your view. They are not based on any hard evidence. But you seem incapable of understanding that.

Head...banging ....brick....wallllllllllllllll :D

[DJKillaQueen]

For example, here's a report debunking the myths around cosmetics and the the dangers of the ingredients in them (myths perpetuated by smear campaigns and belief systems like those of Louisa, and debunked by reputable scientific and medical organisations).

http://cei.org/sites/default/files/Dana%20Joel%20Gattuso%20-%20The%20True%20Story%20of%20Cosmetics.pdf

The report more interestingly draws comparisons with other things where chemical use is permitted, and perfectly demonstrates how low the risk of exposure is compared to something like food for example.

[Cassius]

Best thread I've read on here in ages - as others said good to see Louisa in such flow again and Goooaaaa DNKQ.

Only thing I'd like to ban on public transport would be the eating of smelly food - makes me feel very very ill - but unlike some of us I have to accept that the world is not geared up just for my pleasure and enjoyment and sometimes I have to rub along with others even if I'd prefer not to. It seems ironic that the people claiming that so many behaviour patterns show selfishness are themselves too selfish to live and let live!

[edcam]

Vicanna Wrote:

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> Some of the people commenting on this thread are

> so retarded it's not even funny.

This from someone into "Urban Exploring". Not massively surprised you would choose rouse such an offensive word.

[Alan Medic]

What is the male equivalent of a woman in conversation with a man putting her hand inside her blouse to adjust her bra?

I ask only because I've noticed it twice recently.

[Voyageur]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> What is the male equivalent of a woman in

> conversation with a man putting her hand inside

> her blouse to adjust her bra?

> I ask only because I've noticed it twice recently.

Adjusting their balls maybe?

[woodrot]

Third Reich Commuters thread

[Voyageur]

PaulK Wrote:

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> Voyageur get over yourself. No ones talking about

> you putting on lipstick or moisturising your

> hands. Read the first post.

Read Louisa's posts bone-head.

[Greengod]

Cassius, You should not have to put up with people eating on the bus. It should not be allowed Its banned in many countries for good reason http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibited_activities_on_public_transport

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2009/oct/19/modern-manners-eating-public-transport

[Greengod]

Public Transport? The Bad Vibes Alone Can Drive You Nuts

IN ANGRY RANTS / ON JANUARY 25, 2013 AT 12:20 AM /

Nicolas Wingate writes from London: I don?t like to use public transport. I prefer to drive or take a cab. Sure, it costs me a fortune but I just can?t force myself to use the bus or travel on the Underground because of the number of disgusting people on them who behave like savages and look like ones as well. There they are, talking loudly on their mobiles or between themselves, eating smelly foods, putting on make-up or, my personal most annoying activity, biting off their nails or cleaning them with all sorts of objects, including, bizarrely, Oyster cards and house keys. And on top of that some of these fellow passengers dress like morons and show off too much of their tattooed flesh that they seem to be very proud of.

Yes, the mobile phone has introduced a new kind of menace on parts of public transport and it?s only a matter of time before the Underground facilitate all those idiots who like to terrorise others. I personally can?t stand to hear all that meaningless drivel, delivered in loud, usually deeply unpleasant voices by those who have no life but showing it off as if they actually do. These look-at-me ones think nothing of people around sometimes banging on about nothing in particular for the duration of their whole journey, often finishing the conversation with the words: ?I?ll see you in a bit?. That is when I want to ask them: ?Why, why the hell did you have to torture all of us if you?re going to meet up with her now anyway?? And I bet other women around me, who have also been made listen to the cow scream in her phone, wouldn?t have called me sexist.

Then there is food consumption on public transport which has become something of a plague. While in the past some passengers on buses and the Underground were helping themselves to crisps and sandwiches, or to chewing gum energetically: now they indulge with a hearty meal consisting of some hot smelly mixture or, in extreme cases, soup. It is astonishing how they make other people watch them stuff their mouths with food, as if it is perfectly normal to eat in front of us, commuters, who happen to be trapped in the same carriage with them. They might have as well urinated on the floor for there?s not much difference between eating smelly foods and relieving yourself in public. I proclaim it is a high time to copy the American system and ban food on the Underground.

Loud conversations accompanied by piercing laughter, mostly for no reason whatsoever, are yet another menace. This has become very fashionable among some people who never seem to run out of energy to perform. And mind you, they think nothing of it, talking bollocks endlessly while they are chewing their gums. They are obviously sure that they are cool and as such can be a bit different from the rest of us and share their wisdom and coolness with others who have no choice but to embrace.

Attending to personal appearance on the go is another problem. Some women spend lots of time putting on their make-up in front of others, looking as if they?re on the game and on the way to a client. Apparently, the process requires them to make silly faces which would have been hilarious if they did not look so uncivilised and exasperating. And then comes the nail biting and cleaning, next to someone eating a curry!

Backpackers are another thrill as they seem to forget that they actually have big bags on their backs when they move. Just like people with suitcases on wheels who seem to carry their possessions all around for some reason other than travel. And what about the semi-naked passengers lacking in personal hygiene who have no problem about sharing their nakedness with others. They seem to think that revealing their bodies to others would make them, others that is, appreciative of their naked torsos and physique, which often require some regular exercise or dieting.

I don?t know about you, but tattooed individuals, and I am talking about people covered with idiotic images, disgust me. I?m sorry, but they look like savages who should be using some special means of transport, comparing their drawings and getting ideas for new ones. This tattoo craze has gotten out of control, compliments of footballers and pop stars. Interesting, instead of coolness, the looks transmit some personality or financial disasters, and almost want me to respond to their begging by giving them a coin. But then again maybe not. It well may be their personality that suffers more than their pockets and who knows in what way.

No, public transport is not for me. Too many bad vibes

[Voyageur]

Greengod Wrote:

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> Public Transport? The Bad Vibes Alone Can Drive

> You Nuts

> IN ANGRY RANTS / ON JANUARY 25, 2013 AT 12:20 AM

> /

> Nicolas Wingate writes from London: I don?t like

> to use public transport. I prefer to drive or take

> a cab. ... No, public transport is not for me. Too many bad

> vibes

Ah... all very well if you can afford to take a cab to work or have a central London parking space. For many of us, public transport is a necessity.

Actually, having commuted to work in London for over 30 years I find most fellow commuters to be perfectly nice and well behaved people - then again I haven't an abhorrence of people wearing 'toxic' leather or rubber or applying 'deadly' moisturiser to faces or hands. Makes life much easier.

[Voyageur]

http://style.uk.msn.com/socialvoices/blogpost.aspx?post=f22cfe2e-db5e-4417-a60b-a7943858026f

[TE44]

DG I cannot see how you can make an assumption that people who question chemicals such

as fungicides and other chemicals added to cosmetics must be of the same belief system

as those of Louise.

if There is a huge problem with allergys whichis worsening, there are also many

beliefs to the causes. I can understand why people want clearer labeling to

cosmetics as many want with food and medicines.

I do not have a problem with people putting make up on public transport.

http://www.euagenda.eu/2013/1/23/Living-with-Allergies

[PeckhamRose]

I have once threw my ice cream into the badly made up face of someone on a bus who was now spraying hairspray on their hair: I have bad lung problems and anything sprayed makes me very ill. After this I got off the bus and used inhalers and tablets. Still waiting for the caution for the assault but hey, ya gots to do what ya gots to do.

Great thread.

[Voyageur]

PeckhamRose Wrote:

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> I have once threw my ice cream into the badly made

> up face of someone on a bus who was now spraying

> hairspray on their hair: I have bad lung problems

> and anything sprayed makes me very ill. After

> this I got off the bus and used inhalers and

> tablets. Still waiting for the caution for the

> assault but hey, ya gots to do what ya gots to

> do.

>

> Great thread.

Spraying hairspray in a crowded public place is pretty offensive :( Mind you, so is shoving an ice-cream in someone's face...

[Huguenot]

Isn't this discussion really about taboos?

The threat of deadly makeup and homicidal leather jackets may well be technically 'true' but the risk is so vanishingly small that there has never been a documented case to support these ornate theories.

It's certainly not big enough to justify the visceral overreaction of some individuals to such 'gross' women.

So isn't this protest really about 'gross' women upsetting the natural order and threatening the very fabric of society?

The fact that the protestors on this thread regularly find themselves on other threads voicing traditionalist, conservative, reactionary opinions would seem to support this?

The challenge with public makeup is that it reveals the design and application behind a woman's outward appearance. It's a statement of independence - a rejection of the idea that women are somehow naturally demure, feminine and retiring 'pretty little things' in favour of more complex motivations and machinations.

So these protestations are perhaps the last gasp of Victorian traditionalists resentful of female equality?

For 'gross women putting on makeup in public' instead read 'women should know their place'.

[Vicanna]

PaulK Wrote:

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> Vicanna Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Some of the people commenting on this thread

> are

> > so retarded it's not even funny.

>

>

> Who do you mean? and please state your resons why

Whoever is wasting their time attempting to counter arguments posted by disingenuous clowns like Louisa.

[Voyageur]

Huguenot Wrote:

> So these protestations are perhaps the last gasp

> of Victorian traditionalists resentful of female

> equality?

> For 'gross women putting on makeup in public'

> instead read 'women should know their place'.

Spot on I'd say.

[DJKillaQueen]

TE44, Louisa believes that there are toxins in cosmetics that are so strong that they should be classed as a public health issue. It is the same misinformed belief system as those who call for the banning of cosmetics for the same reasons. The report I posted clearly shows that the levels of chemicals used in makeup are so low that they don't even brush the radar of those concerned with formulating policy for public health issues. It demonstrates that there is no science to support Louisa's view or the view of anyone who thinks that being in proximity to a person applying makeup is or should be a public health issue.

Hairspray is slightly different as it is uses an airbourne delivery system of a flammable substance at the source of delivery, and as such, use of is prohibited on most public transport systems.

[DJKillaQueen]

Spot on H.....and this is the link I posted earlier again, which supports that view.

http://www.the-beheld.com/2011/06/applying-makeup-in-public-preserving.html

I think this is a theory that merits some discussion, if we are to understand what really might be behind the offence that some women (and men) feel, rather than exaggerated claims of toxic public health risk.

[Vicanna]

Lots of pseudo-scientists and sociologists (a.k.a losers) desperately vying for their anonymous peers' inconsequential approval, too.

Kudos to those who've lead them so easily up the garden path. No, really.