Did you vote in the Local Elections?

[Bic Basher]

legalalien Wrote:

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> Haven?t got that one yet (it has been a bumper

> year for flyers here I have to say!) Had a very

> generic Labour one this morning that didn?t

> mention any local issues at all ,focus on the

> general cost of living crisis and central govt. do

> you mean one of the village ward candidates lives

> in streatham, or is it a leaflet about someone

> unrelated?

One of the LD candidates lives in Streatham and that's the basic premise of the Labour leaflet which clearly states it's produced on behalf of Margy and Richard.

[legalalien]

Just looked and found the leaflet on Twitter. Looks like it has been out together in a rush and pretty amateur (and I note they carefully don?t identify which candidate they are talking about). I don?t get it - surely if it works it consolidates the anti- Labour vote with the ?definitely local?

Conservatives (or is it some complicated strategy to make undecided voters empathise with the LD candidate)? And in any case, doesn?t Cllr Leeming himself live in one of the other wards (albeit in Southwark - there is an emphasis on not having someone on Lambeth vote on council tax in Southwark, but given Southwark are likely to be putting in council tax increases at the maximum capped amount for the foreseeable future I don?t see that as a big deal)?

Presumably the LD candidate concerned meets the eligibility rules and either occupies (albeit not living in) premises in Southwark or works in Southwark. The leaflet doesn?t suggest he is ineligible to stand.

[goldilocks]

I'd imagine its a response to the point that was put on here where the lib dems have tried to claim that everyone on their ticket lives 'around' or 'nearby' Goose Green, whereas the reality is that they 'don't! Its weird to lie or stretch the bounds of credibility in this way though and undermines them.

Leeming lives in Southwark as far as I know, just not in the ward itself.

[oimissus]

I?m in Peckham and as of today I have had one Labour leaflet (a few weeks ago, I chucked it in the recycling) - and that?s it. No leaflets, no canvassers, nothing. There?s always someone at home these days, so it?s not like we?ve missed anyone. I?ve also not seen the Southwark Labour Twitter feed show anyone in my ward out and about.

Where are all the candidates?

[legalalien]

If I had to guess I?d say that Labour are focussing a lot of their resources on campaigning in Wandsworth, to try and take seats there, rather than focusing on what they regard as safe seats here in Southwark. Labour had more than 70% of votes in Peckham last time around and more than 60% in Peckham Rye. I?ve heard from friends that there has been a lot of activity in Wandsworth. South Bermondsey also seems to be a big focus.

The Peckham Rye Councillors seem to be some of the better ones from what I?ve seen reading council documents and watching meetings over lockdown. I hope they get re-elected.

[Moovart]

Really what is the point of all these leaflets? As I put another batch of leaflets in the bin it seems like another bad for the environment waste of paper that is no substitute for talking to a real person at the door and asking them what helpful thing they are actually capable of bringing about.

Is there one leaflet that has influenced the way a voter votes? The promises on the leaflets are always grand but non committal pretending again that this time they'll actually make these things happen.

Stop the leaflets!!! Save paper. Save the bin men time

[Siduhe]

The only leaflet we have had through the door in my bit of Dulwich Hill is from the Respect My Sex campaign. No canvassers either.

[DulwichFox]

Moovart Wrote:

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> Really what is the point of all these leaflets? As

> I put another batch of leaflets in the bin it

> seems like another bad for the environment waste

> of paper that is no substitute for talking to a

> real person at the door and asking them what

> helpful thing they are actually capable of

> bringing about.

>

> Is there one leaflet that has influenced the way a

> voter votes? The promises on the leaflets are

> always grand but non committal pretending again

> that this time they'll actually make these things

> happen.

>

> Stop the leaflets!!! Save paper. Save the bin men

> time

I treat Political leaflets like Pizza leflets..

I Bin them..

Shame as this does cause 'Environment waste.. ' when many political parties go on about the Environment

I no longer have any interest in voting for ANYONE.

Almost as much as having any No interest in Ordering a Pizza..

I Do keep Curry Leaflets though .. :)

Foxy

[Spartacus]

Lol

Forget LTNs, forget building on Green Spaces, are you simply voting for whoever offers you a free curry Foxy?

[Waseley]

Well you just can win can you? You don't get leaflets and you complain. You get leaflets and you complain. Incidentally there is much more junk mail from other sources and some leaflets like that on the ULEZ extension really useful. And then you get Dulwichfox who doesn't even engage in the political process/democracy.

Let's be realistic. Over the decades and numerous elections in a number of towns and cities I've never had a knock on my door. Politicians naturally focus on floating voters and swing seats. Social media gives us plenty of opportunity to engage, as well as hustings and getting involved in politics both locally and nationally.

This thread comes over as another anti-LTN thread

[legalalien]

To be fair, I don't think I've received a leaflet from the Green Party, so perhaps they are being environmentally reponsible. I haven't seen them in person, either, though.

[trinidad]

Waseley Wrote:

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> Well you just can win can you? You don't get

> leaflets and you complain. You get leaflets and

> you complain. Incidentally there is much more

> junk mail from other sources and some leaflets

> like that on the ULEZ extension really useful.

> And then you get Dulwichfox who doesn't even

> engage in the political process/democracy.

>

> Let's be realistic. Over the decades and numerous

> elections in a number of towns and cities I've

> never had a knock on my door. Politicians

> naturally focus on floating voters and swing

> seats. Social media gives us plenty of

> opportunity to engage, as well as hustings and

> getting involved in politics both locally and

> nationally.

>

> This thread comes over as another anti-LTN thread

Hello waseley, sorry you feel this is a anti LTN, it was not set up for that but to explore if anyone was voting in the Local elections. I guess ltn'S are local issues for some. For me, the parking zone was a deal breaker, but there are many, many other issues which are important.

[trinidad]

48 hours and counting.....

If you have a postal vote, have you sent yours off in the post yet?

[goldilocks]

Which party do you think will remove the CPZ by your house?

trinidad Wrote:

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> Waseley Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Well you just can win can you? You don't get

> > leaflets and you complain. You get leaflets

> and

> > you complain. Incidentally there is much more

> > junk mail from other sources and some leaflets

> > like that on the ULEZ extension really useful.

> > And then you get Dulwichfox who doesn't even

> > engage in the political process/democracy.

> >

> > Let's be realistic. Over the decades and

> numerous

> > elections in a number of towns and cities I've

> > never had a knock on my door. Politicians

> > naturally focus on floating voters and swing

> > seats. Social media gives us plenty of

> > opportunity to engage, as well as hustings and

> > getting involved in politics both locally and

> > nationally.

> >

> > This thread comes over as another anti-LTN

> thread

>

> Hello waseley, sorry you feel this is a anti LTN,

> it was not set up for that but to explore if

> anyone was voting in the Local elections. I guess

> ltn'S are local issues for some. For me, the

> parking zone was a deal breaker, but there are

> many, many other issues which are important.

[trinidad]

hello goldilocks,

I dont have an answer to that one, sorry

[goldilocks]

No - I don't think that anyone will. Was just wondering if you did?

[Lynne]

No leaflets. one visit from Labour

[goldilocks]

So in summary:

Dulwich Village - hotly contested with lots of canvassing from Lib Dems and Tories plus Labour.

Dulwich Hill - apparently credible Tory candidates but didn't bother with hustings and no one has heard from them - some people have a lib dem leaflet. Labour canvassing.

Goose Green - Labour canvassing, no one else. Some people have had lib dem leaflets but doesn't seem to be widespread.

Think that covers it!

[trinidad]

goldilocks Wrote:

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> No - I don't think that anyone will. Was just

> wondering if you did?

For me, i am just punishing Labour for introducing the CPZ when residents overwhelmingly voting against it when asked. I have always voted Labour, but not this time.

[Bic Basher]

Dulwich Hill is as safe as it gets for Labour, they really don't have to put the work in. Dulwich Wood should also go Labour again, with minimal leaflet drops from the Tories.

Dulwich Village is too close to call and a barometer to see if the LTN measures have been a success with the electorate or not, but I wouldn't go as far to say Leeming and Newens will be back with an increased majority.

[alice]

Agree about Dulwich hill. Wish it wasn?t so.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Bic Basher Wrote:

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> Dulwich Village is too close to call and a

> barometer to see if the LTN measures have been a

> success with the electorate or not

Whether they've been 'popular', not whether they've been a success

[Bic Basher]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> Bic Basher Wrote:

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>

> > Dulwich Village is too close to call and a

> > barometer to see if the LTN measures have been

> a

> > success with the electorate or not

>

> Whether they've been 'popular', not whether

> they've been a success

Labour would be the first to say they were 'popular' if they had it on their election literature, the fact it hasn't shows that it hasn't been a success.

[heartblock]

Labour have avoided LTNs as a 'policy' during the run up. I think they are worried about the fact that they don't reduce pollution or traffic on any measure. They keep them because Labour is generally voted in by relatively wealthy people in this area and in less wealthy areas the turn-out is low. As the expensive housing is within LTNs especially in GG and ED wards then taking them out will effect LP support. Sadly if you live in low rental or less well off area you are less likely to vote.

LP is a sad shadow of it's previous campaigning past.

[goldilocks]

Interesting isn't it - you are convinced they're not popular as your echo chamber says not. My view is that there are some noisy objectors and some enthusiastic pro people but a large component of voters aren't so engaged on it and probably wonder why its still being discussed.

I watched the BBC clip - linked here in case anyone else wants to see it - right at the beginning and not very long:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m00171t6/bbc-london-lunchtime-news-03052022

The other thing that struck me (apart from how many people were using the space in the background when Tristan was speaking for the Tories) was how measured his comments were for this medium, whereas locally he's been using much more polarising language to stoke division. He has now deleted it from YouTube but for a long while had a clip of him referring to Dulwich Square as 'Ground Zero'. I guess he thinks it speaks to his core support base but its beyond offensive and shows incredibly poor judgement for someone seeking public office.