Did you vote in the Local Elections?

[goldilocks]

I agree DKHbilly - i find the hoops that people are prepared to jump through to convince themselves that those saying what they want to hear amazing, but I guess that says more about them.

CPR Dave - I'm hopeful the Lib Dems won't get elected - not from a political perspective as had someone like James Barber been standing I'd have been positive about him - but 'paper candidates' fielded to fill up the slots who can't be bothered to leaflet or canvass don't strike me as councillors that will be engaged and responsive.

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> > Comments about how people are looking for

> things

> > to be offended at are bizarre in the face of

> what

> > he said!

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> > Tristan?s comments were unacceptable but it?s

> just

> > one example of how the anti LTN campaigners

> > (Conservatives , Dulwich Alliance - though

> they?re

> > essentially one and the same as Clive Rates

> > founded the Dulwich Alliance) make offensive

> > comments to further divide. Like this from one

> of

> > their spokespeople:

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> > https://i.imgur.com/l9TO8tx.png

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> Ok so the metaphorical comments made about the

> physical divide the council put in place in the

> village are designed to further divide the

> community? Correct me if I am wrong but the

> council did put a physical divide in place didn't

> they?

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> Honestly, so many people seem to spend their lives

> trying to find things to be offended about...and

> then telling everyone how offended they are that

> they took offence to

> something....#usuallyonsocialmedia

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> Funny how they only take offence when it is

> someone with a view opposed to theirs - they are

> more than happy to turn a blind eye to things that

> are actually offensive when the colour of the

> "team shirt" the person wears is the same as

> theirs!

>

> Few of the usual suspects on here had anything to

> say about Cllr McAsh's Xmas Day jumper offence (as

> a primary school teacher he should have known

> better that children would have inevitably seen

> it) that was further shared by the leader of our

> council....but that isn't at all surprising is it?

This. This. THIS. Thank you, Rockets. Nice to see some common sense being flexed on what often feels like a completely totalitarian forum {hence why I do not engage. Feel free to meet me in person, keyboard warriors}.

I was hoping James McAsh would bring his smug face to my door this year, rather than a leaflet with his smug face on it.

You've got to be some kind of narcissistic sociopath to sport a sweater like that & hope to win over a majority.

[kissthisguy]

Wild horses couldn't drag me to vote Labour this time around. Bit of a wrench but that's life.

[se22]

I'm in Dulwich Hill ward. Haven't had a single leaflet from any of the candidates.

[Bicknell]

@goldylocks

You said..." (Conservatives , Dulwich Alliance - though they?re essentially one and the same as Clive Rates founded the Dulwich Alliance) "

list of groups in dulwich alliance here https://dulwichalliance.org/

are you saying that if some one helps start a group and then stands as a local councilor, all the members of group now belong to that same political party???

[Mabaker]

I'm in Dulwich Hill too. Not one leaflet, not one campaigner at the door. Being a traditional Labour voter, hate to say it, but very disappointed with Labour councillors on replying to concerns about local issues. I've voted Green this year hoping that at least one will get in. Wish we had more proportional representation.

[jazzer]

This topic, LTN's in Dulwich was all across BBC London news yesterday

[Waseley]

Probably the most relevant point on this subject was DKH, in their excellent post - the choking of TfL by our current government.

[Rockets]

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> > Comments about how people are looking for

> things

> > to be offended at are bizarre in the face of

> what

> > he said!

> >

> > Tristan?s comments were unacceptable but it?s

> just

> > one example of how the anti LTN campaigners

> > (Conservatives , Dulwich Alliance - though

> they?re

> > essentially one and the same as Clive Rates

> > founded the Dulwich Alliance) make offensive

> > comments to further divide. Like this from one

> of

> > their spokespeople:

> >

> > https://i.imgur.com/l9TO8tx.png

>

> The Tory/Dulwich Alliance candidate is comparing

> his own bugbear to the events of 9/11 and

> Stalinist occupation of Germany. It's completely

> bonkers. The hysterical bleating by some on here

> about Southwark being a "one party state" is in a

> similar vein - rhetoric that's offensive to people

> who actually suffered under one party states.

>

> All of this language is completely

> disproportionate to what is - as a reminder - a

> disagreement about whether a couple of junctions

> in suburban London are open or closed at rush

> hour. But of course this is happy turf for

> Johnson's Tory party - if you can incite a culture

> war by using inflammatory terms like "bumboys" and

> "letterboxes", you can shift attention away from

> uncomfortable topics like backhanders from

> developers, hundreds of millions of pounds spent

> through the "VIP hotline" for Tory donors, woeful

> mismanagement of COVID, austerity, Brexit, the

> affordable housing crisis, the choking of TfL and

> so much more...

Not they are not. One is referring to the Dulwich Village LTN as ground zero for the issues caused by them - you do realise that the term ground zero was used for a very long time before it was applied to the World Trade Centre attacks don't you? You do realise it has multiple uses: one of which is in reference to the "starting point of an activity"?

And the other is comparing the building of the Berlin wall to the building of the Village LTN. Yes it's a bit sensationalist but nothing more than that - you have to admit though that the parallels are striking.

Perhaps people should spend less time trying to find things to be offended about and think about why people are still banging the "why haven't they listened to us" drum.

Are some of you secretly hoping the Tories win so you really have something to moan and be offended about? ;-)

[hpsaucey]

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> But do these supposed 'women's rights' also

> include trans women? I doubt it.

'Supposed 'women's rights''! Wowser! lol.

HP

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> 'Supposed 'women's rights''! Wowser! lol.

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> HP

Wasn't even worthy of a response at that point.

[Bic Basher]

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> > include trans women? I doubt it.

>

> 'Supposed 'women's rights''! Wowser! lol.

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> HP

There hasn't been one mention from the transphobes who support your cause over the threat to abortions in the USA. Not one and yet your lot are supposedly supporting fellow cis women? Right...

[Cyclemonkey]

The threat to Roe vs Wade is awful and one feminists across the globe are concerned about. However not really a campaigning issue for local elections in the UK.

[hpsaucey]

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> Wasn't even worthy of a response at that point.

Yes - you're right, it wasn't.

HP

[Bic Basher]

We call all agree that the Tories continual choking of TfL isn't helping anyone, including the delays to the remodelling of the Dulwich Common/LL junction which in part with the LTN is causing the additional traffic along the eastern end of LL.

[Roky Erickson]

I'm in Dulwich Hill and want to vote against the LTNs, so obviously cannot vote Labour.

Please can somebody help me, and confirm that the Lib Dems would remove the LTNs ? I'm confused at this point.

I would rather vote Lib Dem than Conservative, but having been a lifelong Labour supporter, I could not countenance voting Labour in this election, so anything against them is preferable.

[jamesmcash]

I hope this thread isn't representative of the wider Dulwich area, it'd be a Labour wipe-out!

Thanks for an interesting thread. Whoever you support, please do try to vote.

See you on the other side.

Best wishes

James

[Rockets]

And if you don't vote expect a house visit from a load of Labour press-ganging councillors and activists around 6pm tomorrow.....;-)

Sorry, couldn't resist!

Always intriguing the night before an election - which way will it go?

Will some of us be saying "there you go, Dulwich has finally had it's say on LTNs and has spoken" or will it be others saying "well, those 20 people on the forum who voted against Labour made zero impact".

Time will tell.....

[legalalien]

Or will some of us be so fed up that we actually sign up to the campaign for proportional representation in local government, rather than just talking about it...

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[kissthisguy]

From the photos on twitter the two DH cllrs seem to spend their time trying to save their Dulwich Village colleagues' bacon !

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> I'm in Dulwich Hill too. Not one leaflet, not one

> campaigner at the door. Being a traditional Labour

> voter, hate to say it, but very disappointed with

> Labour councillors on replying to concerns about

> local issues. I've voted Green this year hoping

> that at least one will get in. Wish we had more

> proportional representation.

[Waseley]

And remember folks, this is not a referendum on LTNs. Which I very much doubt will be removed. Time to move on.

Thanks Trinny BTW, it wasn't your fault the thread was hijacked by some.

[CPR Dave]

Good to see you on here James.

Hope you get to enjoy a beer and some takeaway curry with your fellow campaigners tomorrow evening.

[legalalien]

A random question that I wonder if anyone knows the answer to: if a ward changes hands, what happens to outstanding constituency work (emails, correspondence etc) - does it get handed over to the new councillors, or does everyone have to start again by emailing their new councillors?

I have no idea of the answer, but you'd think it would make sense to have some sort of handover process? Ditto for MPs after a general election...

(just wondering what might happen to an outstanding email to a current councillor)

[Bic Basher]

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> And remember folks, this is not a referendum on

> LTNs. Which I very much doubt will be removed.

> Time to move on.

It may well change Labour's selfish policies if they see seats go across South and North Southwark while still holding onto their strongholds in Peckham and Camberwell. Increased opposition from the Lib Dems will give them more power to oppose Labour's waste which hasn't been possible under the current administration.

I hope also in Lewisham that we finally see opposition as Labour have all of the council seats there and there the apathy to their LTN schemes have been as terse as here, but they don't even have a single councillor who can defend residents who don't like how it's been managed since 2018. This is why it's important to vote for whoever you feel is the right person/party for the job in your ward rather than the status quo.