Ukraine situation

[Seabag]

Here we go, the old ?woke? straw man gets wheeled out.

What is this obsession?

GB news loves it too, but seriously ?what actually is it??

[TheCat]

I get where you're coming from seabag, the term is starting to lose a little bit of meaning, but this obsession goes both ways though I think....it seems like just mentioning the word 'woke' in a negative context gets progressive folk lashing out...

If Muhammad Ali was still around, he might even call it woke-a-dope....:)

[diable rouge]

*Waves at P3girl and cidolphus...*

[JohnL]

LOL Cummings just posted a post proving that nuclear war is inevitable LOL - But he's wrong. Not sure if the fact he's wrong is his point ?

[Seabag]

TheCat Wrote:

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> I get where you're coming from seabag, the term is

> starting to lose a little bit of meaning, but this

> obsession goes both ways though I think....it

> seems like just mentioning the word 'woke' in a

> negative context gets progressive folk lashing

> out...

>

> If Muhammad Ali was still around, he might even

> call it woke-a-dope....:)

Isn?t woke a negative now, I mean nobody describes themselves as woke anymore do they?

So last decade

But heck, the right can?t seem to say it enough. And this government have an anti-woke department I believe.

Obsessed is the word best describes its overuse.

[SpringTime]

Waseley Wrote:

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> Serious question would anyone here fight to save

> Ukraine? No, I didn't think so. Not sure what

> the West could do. I'd happily deport all Russian

> citizens. Not sure how many UK citizens live in

> Russia.

I'm considering seriously as to going to fight. It might be too late. I might not come back. It will likely involve casualties of young Russians who don't know why they're there. My womenfolk here at home will determine whether I go.

[Spartacus]

Getting back to the discussion in hand

Whilst the UK and Europe are imposing sanctions on Russia which has resulted in gas prices rising why are the UK and Europe still buying gas from Russia which is pouring millions extra into their economy as a result of wholesale prices rising.

Whilst it will add hardship in the gas wholesale market it will also cut off a flow of cash to Russia.

Admittedly we only take a small percentage of Russian gas but Europe takes (from memory) 40% of their supply.

[SpringTime]

Spartacus Wrote:

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> Getting back to the discussion in hand

>

> Whilst the UK and Europe are imposing sanctions on

> Russia which has resulted in gas prices rising why

> are the UK and Europe still buying gas from Russia

> which is pouring millions extra into their economy

> as a result of wholesale prices rising.

>

> Whilst it will add hardship in the gas wholesale

> market it will also cut off a flow of cash to

> Russia.

>

> Admittedly we only take a small percentage of

> Russian gas but Europe takes (from memory) 40% of

> their supply.

We shouldn't be using gas anyway. No one should.

[SpringTime]

PS This discussion can indeed involve fighters leaving the UK and elsewhere to support the cause.

[jazzer]

"We shouldn't be using gas anyway. No one should."

Gotta say that's a pretty daft comment; How do you heat your home, cook food, dry your clothes, stay warm etc........

[diable rouge]

SpringTime Wrote:

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> PS This discussion can indeed involve fighters

> leaving the UK and elsewhere to support the cause.

Around the time Truss said that it was ok for UK citizens to fight in Ukraine, I read somewhere that it was illegal for UK nationals to fight in a war/conflict that didn't involve the UK.

Later the Gov seemed to back this up by stating that UK nationals shouldn't fight in Ukraine.

If you're not a UK national then this of course doesn't apply...

[Spartacus]

jazzer Wrote:

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> "We shouldn't be using gas anyway. No one

> should."

>

> Gotta say that's a pretty daft comment; How do you

> heat your home, cook food, dry your clothes, stay

> warm etc........

In an ideal world Springtime is correct but we are possibly 20 years from that point and if it all goes horribly wrong in the Ukraine global warming could be the least of our issues

However the question is still valid of why are we using Russian gas at the moment as economically they massively benefit from it whilst gas prices are high

[JohnL]

My gas boiler is 14 years old - but not sure there's an option when replacement time comes (soon) as I live in flats and have to take what is available.

Don't heat much mind - my Electricity bill dwarfs Gas.

[SpringTime]

jazzer Wrote:

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> "We shouldn't be using gas anyway. No one

> should."

>

> Gotta say that's a pretty daft comment; How do you

> heat your home, cook food, dry your clothes, stay

> warm etc........

We've done well without gas for tens of thousands of years.

[SpringTime]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> SpringTime Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > PS This discussion can indeed involve fighters

> > leaving the UK and elsewhere to support the

> cause.

>

> Around the time Truss said that it was ok for UK

> citizens to fight in Ukraine, I read somewhere

> that it was illegal for UK nationals to fight in a

> war/conflict that didn't involve the UK.

>

> Later the Gov seemed to back this up by stating

> that UK nationals shouldn't fight in Ukraine.

>

> If you're not a UK national then this of course

> doesn't apply...

Seems that there's little stopping anyone getting over the border at Romania, Hungary, Slovakia and Poland. There are two Romanian borders, and then another with Moldova. Though I'd probably avoid Transnistria. And Belarus obviously.

I could care less what Truss says. Even if she had a good sense of geography I wouldn't care what she said.

[TheCat]

Spartacus Wrote:

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> Europe takes (from memory) 40% of

> their supply.

That is basically the answer to your question Spartacus....this stuff doesn't grow on trees:)

[TheCat]

SpringTime Wrote:

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> jazzer Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > "We shouldn't be using gas anyway. No one

> > should."

> >

> > Gotta say that's a pretty daft comment; How do

> you

> > heat your home, cook food, dry your clothes,

> stay

> > warm etc........

>

> We've done well without gas for tens of thousands

> of years.

We did 'well' without basically every modern convenience for tens of thousands of years too.

[Sephiroth]

"We've done well without gas for tens of thousands of years."

That's an argument that doesn't work at all surely?

a) we didn't do well

b) we didn't have electronic equipment for even longer but here you are

c) if you do travel to Ukraine, you walking or horseback riding?

[Sue]

Seabag Wrote:

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> Sue Wrote:

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> > Well, this is cheery ....

>

> Time for a Sloe Gin Sue

Alas, I have no Sloe Gin 🤣

[JohnL]

Today feels like preparation for being back in the stone age

Was mead around ?

[KidKruger]

Yeah - by burning wood.

Several thousand fires every night in ED would be an eye opener.

SpringTime Wrote:

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> jazzer Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > "We shouldn't be using gas anyway. No one

> > should."

> >

> > Gotta say that's a pretty daft comment; How do

> you

> > heat your home, cook food, dry your clothes,

> stay

> > warm etc........

>

> We've done well without gas for tens of thousands

> of years.

[Sue]

I recently read Riddley Walker.

Seems to me that's where we are heading 😶

[malumbu]

Going back to the discussions on how much the West is to blame you should catch the Radio 4 Moral Maze from last night where various views were presented. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0014x1m You've got Melanie Phillips presenting a more hawkish opinion. Others question the West's 'decadence' the UK's insular position, general economic interests eg our willingness to do business with China, political self expediency (ie that to have done more will have harmed the UK population) and national self interest. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0014x1m

P3 girl - you have far more experience of USSR/Russia than most. I visited much of the communist bloc in the 90s relatively shortly after the collapse of communism but never Russia. Your posts have come over a little opinionated, and I didn't find swiping at Germany, the BBC and the Guardian helpful, from what you have said this may not have been your intention.

One can see the BBC as the best trusted, and most independent of all public service broadcasters. Or lefty metropolitan elitist aka the fabricated culture wars. The above broadcast very much suggests the former.

[diable rouge]

Still no sign of UK sanctions against Russian oligarchs, yet more 'blusterism' empty rhetoric from a PM who reckons the UK is ''leading the way'', meanwhile France and Germany have actually been seizing assets.

All this delay is doing is giving the oligarch's time to 'tidy up' and move their assets...

[JohnL]

Western Decadence - I think some of this is perceived rather than real.

What do I do that's decadent ?

Pub

Computer Games

Watch Netflix

A holiday rarely

It's more some enjoyable things in life that I know others in the world may not have.