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Ian Blackford (SNP Leader) thrown out of The House of Commons

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diable rouge

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Yesterday showed how inadequate Parliamentary procedure is when someone knowingly lies and/or makes false claims/smears.


Blackford is asked to leave the chamber because he called Johnson a liar (something which is patently true both inside and outside of Parliament) based on nothing more than an archaic principle that 'Honourary Members' cannot be called a liar in the chamber as it's considered 'unparliamentary language'.


You then have Johnson making a false claim/smear that Starmer when head of the DPP failed to prosecute Saville, which is untrue. This is what Tory MP Julian Smith Tweeted about it...


''The smear made against Keir Starmer relating to Jimmy Saville yesterday is wrong & cannot be defended. It should be withdrawn. False and baseless personal slurs are dangerous, corrode trust & can't just be accepted as part of the cut & thrust of parliamentary debate.''


So here we have a system that allows an MP to tell a lie and/or make false claims/allegations yet not be held accountable if untrue. Parliamentary Privilege also prevents Starmer from making a claim of slander in an outside court. This is why Raab on the radio this morning referred to what Johnson said but wouldn't say whether the claim was true or not, because he wasn't covered by PP.


So when a proven liar is called out for his lies in Parliament, they are protected by the system. This PM and the Gov know this and are deliberately abusing it...

Seabag

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There?s a clip of Johnson I saw yesterday, from a little while back.


He basically said that if you throw enough nonsense and untrue things out there, then the press focus on those and he gets to sail through with his agendas unscathed, while they fuss and talk about the other stuff.


Pretty much exactly what?s going on here. He knew this was his distraction bomb, and lobbed it in just the right place and time. And it?s working.


Let?s focus on the real situation, not Johnson?s distractions.

diable rouge

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From Jessica Elgot...


Hoyle gives a light touch rebuke to Johnson on his Savile comments."Procedurally, nothing disorderly occurred. But such allegations should not be made lightly


"I am far from satisfied that the comments in question were appropriate on this occasion... I want a nicer Parliament."



Therein lies the problem, he can't even insist that Johnson withdraws the smear...

DuncanW

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I think Johnson is a liar and admire Blackford for saying so. Dawn Butler also.


I don't think there's anything wrong with the rules though.


If Johnson is found to have misled the house, he would need to resign - I believe that is written into the ministerial code. The rules cover that.


His comments about Starmer were unsavoury, but not sure it's a lie to point out that he was DPP when the CPS failed to prosecute Saville. It wasn't his decision but he was in charge. In the past, Johnson has fallen foul of taking the wrap for a 'subordinate' when a leader was written in The Spectator when he was editor that made vile and untrue claims about the Hilsborough tragedy. He was made to apologise by Michael Howard.


Parliament is rambunctious enough without MPs calling each other liars and the ilk during the sessions. It can be hard to prove and subjective, plus it wouldn't be tolerated in most professional workplaces, certainly not anywhere I have worked in recent years.


If anything, the removal from the chamber serves Blackford (and the country) well as it draws attention to and amplifies his assertion, that Johnson is a liar.


Which he most certainly is.

diable rouge

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''His comments about Starmer were unsavoury, but not sure it's a lie to point out that he was DPP when the CPS failed to prosecute Saville.''


He didn't point that out, he stated that Starmer failed to prosecute Saville. That's simply not true and as Seph stated above, it's nothing more than a far-right smear that Johnson parroted. Johnson going full-Trump yet again and we all know how well that turned out.

Here's a Reuters fact-check article rebutting the smear...https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-britain-savile-idUSL1N2RP200

JohnL

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I watched "Faking it" with Savile and the guy conned the whole UK establishment. Andrew Neil seemed onto him in an interview, honed in and he pulled out a banana, ate it and the Audience all laughed - moment gone.


He also made a strange death threat "people who cross me don't get older" that again just got laughter.


No way can that be put onto one person (whoever that is and the AG was tory) - The royal family down were conned by this guy who had his own key to a hospital ward and when he dies still got the funeral of a UK hero.

Sephiroth

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Good points JohnL


Thank goodness the country has gotten over it's blind spot about narcissistic showoffs who, as soon as they get in to trouble, like to play the clown and everyone laughs again, and everyone forgets about the disturbing stuff they are trying to hide eh?

diable rouge

diable rouge

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Boris Johnson: Smeargate, a play in 4 Acts...


Monday: Boris Johnson makes Jimmy Saville claim

Tuesday: No10 says PM stands by what he said

Wednesday: Johnson doubles down in Commons

Thursday: PM completely backs down



Can't get enough culture vultures?


Don't worry, a sequel is coming, Boris Johnson: Partygate, currently in production...

diable rouge

diable rouge

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Rats leaving sinking ship update...


Big blow for Boris Johnson. No 10 policy chief Munira Mirza, at his side since City Hall, quits over Jimmy Savile slur: ?This was not the usual cut & thrust of politics; it was an inappropriate & partisan reference to a horrendous case of child sex abuse. You tried to clarify your position today but, despite my urging, you did not apologise.''

diable rouge

diable rouge

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Where do journos like Laura Kuenssberg dig up their 'sources' from?...


Another former colleague of PM and Mirza predicts her departure could be start of the end game... 'The apocalypse is preceded by all sorts of things you never expect to happen. The moon turns red and the sun goes black. Munira leaving boris had to be on such a list.'


So bad it's good :) :) :)

Sue

Sue

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diable rouge Wrote:

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> Latest reshuffle (H/T Matt Chorley)...

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> BREAKING: New No10 team revealed

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> Director of communications: Carrie

> Head of policy: Dilyn the dog

> Polester: Jennifer Arcuri

> Chief of staff: Peppa Pig



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