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When did all of these new shop things appear ? There now seems to be a grocers that would not look out of place in Williamsburg - even the staff of these new places seem to have been airlifted from Brooklyn, all whippet thin, with Hitler Yoof haircuts and ironic beards.


Desmonds has morphed into a digital printers/gallery with a life size Hendrix digi canvas gracing the windows


* raises hand to sky and shakes fist *

So we seemed to of Cracked it...


Find a run down Slum Area...


Re-open a Derelict Shop.. Rag Roll the walls.. Get a few odd broken chairs..

Sell Sourdough Bread and Jam.. with A pot of Lady Grey Tea.. ?12.00 Per Head..


... and the Area becomes a Village


Fox

LondonLogCo Wrote:

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> Our leave the slum as is

>

> Sell bacon rolls for 80p

>

> Watch as the places slides slowly into the mire.


NO... By All means Open a new Cafe.. Sell food at a price that Local People (Community) can afford.

Not a Yuppie Hut that attracts hoardes of outsiders that clutter up the area with their 4x4's and jeeps..


Do something for the existing community. Do not try and create a up market Ghetto that excludes

folk that have lived there all their life.


Fox.

The money it costs to open / run a small business or cafe these days, your 60p cup of tea and 90p bacon roll will ensure you close in 6 months, maybe longer if you're willing to give up your life savings.

There are such a range of cafes available in ED and surrounds that surely everyone has somewhere that suits them.

I don't think there any exclusion underway.

No-one says the pubs are excluding people with a pint costing ?4+ a throw !!

Pubs in Peckham area are full of people who could use one less pint and a loaf more of sourdough (this goes for ED too).

Anyway - with a bit of luck they'll attract crowds of yuppies with money to burn which the landlord/owner will see and triple the rent accordingly forcing the veggie-nazis out of business - so it either ends up as a Cafe Nero, a Tesco-Bijou or else stands empty for a decade.

DulwichFox Wrote:


> Do something for the existing community. Do

> not try and create a up market Ghetto that

> excludes folk that have lived there all their life.



Really ?


Well the "existing community" had it all to themselves for years & look what a run down sh!thole they made of it.


Or was that one of your specially Jack Dee-esque dry/droll posts.


Never can tell !

I've lived here for 7 years and have been gagging for someone to open a provisions store at the bottom of my street.


It's not like you're short of cheap-arsed fruit and veg on Rye Lane is it? Sometimes I don't want my apples to come in a plastic bowl.

nazi grocers


first they came for the My Mums,but I didnt speak as I didnt like their bacon marked produce of EEC


then they came for the Happy shopper, but I didnt speak as I got splitting headaches from their Aspatrame tainted Orange style drink


Then they came for the Costcutter, but I didnt speak as their 3 litre zeppelins of White lightning gave me the runs...

david_carnell Wrote:

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> I've lived here for 7 years and have been gagging

> for someone to open a provisions store at the

> bottom of my street.

>

> It's not like you're short of cheap-arsed fruit

> and veg on Rye Lane is it? Sometimes I don't want

> my apples to come in a plastic bowl.



The plastic ?1 bowl is a true sign of demise.


That and Lyca Mobile fly posting.

woodrot Wrote:

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There now seems to be a grocers that would not

> look out of place in Williamsburg - even the staff

> of these new places seem to have been airlifted

> from Brooklyn, all whippet thin, with Hitler Yoof

> haircuts and ironic beards.


Keen observation woody, can see where they got their inspiration from http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/shopping/store_profiles/brook-farm-general-store-104458


Indeed s'about time someone opened an old-fashioned country style store in the city.

Annette Curtain Wrote:

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> DulwichFox Wrote:

>

> > Do something for the existing community. Do

> > not try and create a up market Ghetto that

> > excludes folk that have lived there all their

> life.

>

>

> Really ?

>

> Well the "existing community" had it all to

> themselves for years & look what a run down

> sh!thole they made of it.

>

> Or was that one of your specially Jack Dee-esque

> dry/droll posts.

>

> Never can tell !


That's right...


I think If I was Prime Minister/Mayor

I would Rule the Country / London my the mood I was in when I woke up in the morning.


One day might exercise strong Right wing views. Ban Unions

Next day might take a Left wing stance..make Unions Compulsary.


Might Scrap the congestion Charge only to reinstate it unannounced.


Remove all traffic signs but retain all restrictions.. Reverse all/some of the one way systems.

Make parking free then paint new yellow lines once people have left their car there.


Have to keep people on their toes..


As for..

the "existing community" had it all to

> themselves for years & look what a run down

> sh!thole they made of it.



I think that was neglect by the Local Council, not the community.


Fox.

Bullshit.


Did you ever go in the Wishing Well? Mostly empty, mostly unfriendly and mostly a dump.


The Victoria Inn opens, and despite having problems, it's consistently full of locals and families spending money.


Nothing to do with the council. Everything to do with the landlord and the punters.


Build it and they will come. These places are for locals. Just different locals to the ones you imagine. There is room for both.

numbers Wrote:

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> woodrot Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> There now seems to be a grocers that would not

> > look out of place in Williamsburg - even the

> staff

> > of these new places seem to have been airlifted

> > from Brooklyn, all whippet thin, with Hitler

> Yoof

> > haircuts and ironic beards.

>

> Keen observation woody, can see where they got

> their inspiration from

> http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/shopping/store_pro

> files/brook-farm-general-store-104458

>

> Indeed s'about time someone opened an

> old-fashioned country style store in the city.


You might also enjoy this: http://www.pimpinelle.be/


I know I did.

david_carnell Wrote:

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> Bullshit.

>

> Did you ever go in the Wishing Well? Mostly empty,

> mostly unfriendly and mostly a dump.

>

> The Victoria Inn opens, and despite having

> problems, it's consistently full of locals and

> families spending money.

>

> Nothing to do with the council. Everything to do

> with the landlord and the punters.

>

> Build it and they will come. These places are for

> locals. Just different locals to the ones you

> imagine. There is room for both.



I popped into teh Vic at the weekend with a woodrot junior for an unscheduled bog stop - it was indeed packed to the rafters with thrusting breeders and their offspring - as I was disshevelled, scowling and unshaven, lurking around the bookcase area waiting for them, several of 'em started eyeing me suspiciously and moved their bags behind them/ phones off the table.


not one of us



*sucks teeth*

11 years ago: "at least another half a dozen up-market shops are needed before the place becomes a destination rather than a diversion."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/3307561/The-beautification-of-Bellenden.html


"Nevertheless, the gentrification genie has been well and truly let out of the bottle, and there is no putting it back."

>

> I popped into teh Vic at the weekend with a

> woodrot junior for an unscheduled bog stop - it

> was indeed packed to the rafters with thrusting

> breeders and their offspring - as I was

> disshevelled, scowling and unshaven, lurking

> around the bookcase area waiting for them, several

> of 'em started eyeing me suspiciously and moved

> their bags behind them/ phones off the table.

>

> not one of us

>

>

> *sucks teeth*



Woodrot, I always thought you were a woman.

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