Defending the indefensible - another PM thread

[diable rouge]

jazzer Wrote:

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''However, if you want to really moan, then moan about why 150+K people have passed away in the UK, because they were unfortunate enough to have contracted C19, their families and friends who are mourning the loss of those they loved.''

I think you'll find those representing the grieved families are having a good moan at this Gov too. Perhaps it was something to do with sending infected patients back into care homes leading to yens of thousands of unnecessary deaths, or maybe it was the Gov not learning from the lesson of the original mistake of lockdowning too late, and then repeating the mistake leading to yet more tens of thousands unnecessary deaths.

Criticising the Gov and mourning the dead are not mutually exclusive, as above shows, they are intrinsically linked...

[diable rouge]

Cummings now going for Johnson's jugular...

[diable rouge]

What Cummings should do now is come clean over Barnard Castle, the full monty including what Johnson knew and agreed to regarding the fabricated story.

He's got nothing to lose politically, and he can always do a Hello shoot as part of his 'recuperation' after the dust settles...

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

keano77 Wrote:

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> malign forces

MaLiGn fOrCeS

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> well I wouldn't bracket you in the "reasonable

> person" category

oooOOOOOOooooohhhh!!!

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> We can compare death raters per capita across

> Europe as a useful comparison - and the UK does

> not come out of it well

To be fair a lot of that's partly because we started the pandemic with a huge amount of obesity, poverty and chronic health conditions generally, all of which is pretty bad for covid survival.

[JohnL]

He's going to do it slowly and excruciatingly painfully.

[Sue]

ianr Wrote:

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> > The initial rollout was speedy but other

> > countries caught up and overtook UK pretty

> > quickly (with much higher vaccination rates

> > to boot)

>

> Is there any mileage in the hypothesis that

> vaccination uptake rates might be moderately

> independent of the identity of the ruling party?

Yes!

[Spartacus]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> The initial rollout was speedy but other countries

> caught up and overtook UK pretty quickly (with

> much higher vaccination rates to boot)

>

It always fascinates me that a conclusion leap can be made between vaccination rates in a country and a government where as it is more likely that a lower rate is down to vaccine hesitantancy, cultural beliefs and anti-vaxers.

Guess the only way to keep up with other countries is do as they are (mandatory vaccinations for all of vaccine passports) but I'm not convinced that is a good political move for any country.

note the compulsory vaccination of frontline health workers shows how these policies are causing controversy

[diable rouge]

JohnL Wrote:

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> He's going to do it slowly and excruciatingly

> painfully.

Yep, pretty clear now that he's directly behind some of the leaks, and maybe even pulling the strings on the others i.e. using intermediaries for leaks to the Mirror.

Lots of chatter about whether he's deliberately waiting for the Sue Gray report and will then release a leak that exposes Johnson and a.n. others as liars. Stay tuned!...

[TheCat]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> JohnL Wrote:

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> > He's going to do it slowly and excruciatingly

> > painfully.

>

> Yep, pretty clear now that he's directly behind

> some of the leaks, and maybe even pulling the

> strings on the others i.e. using intermediaries

> for leaks to the Mirror.

>

> Lots of chatter about whether he's deliberately

> waiting for the Sue Gray report and will then

> release a leak that exposes Johnson and a.n.

> others as liars. Stay tuned!...

Not that I particualrly give a toss about cummings....but you'd have to wonder who in their right-mind would hire him in the future (whether thats within politics, or in fact anywhere) given this very public display of torching a former employer.....

I suspect he might be limited to a 'consultant' who gets canvassed for views, and never actually gets into the inner circle of anything again...

[diable rouge]

That's why I alluded to a Hello shoot earlier, who'd want to employ him when this all blows over.

He's already burned his bridges with half of the country over Brexit, and now he's doing the same with his Brexit paymasters.

He's the epitome of populism, burn everything down for effect and to hell with the consequences, and now he's doing it to himself..:)

[Spartacus]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> That's why I alluded to a Hello shoot earlier,

Better Hello Magazine than the centerfold in playgirl 😱

Shudders

[diable rouge]

Just watched Johnson's interview with Sky, still saying it was a 'work event', which is fine, I get that's his standard rebuttal along with ''let's see what the Sue Gray report says'', but I just wish the journalist would then ask what did this work event actually entail, what was its purpose, what was his role in it? I suspect his answer would tell us a lot about whether he's lying or not....

[JohnL]

Kay Burley caught Raab out this morning.

"Some say it was a party in honour of me"

[JohnL]

Jeremy Hunt ?it would take a lot to persuade me to put my hat into the ring?

Dom Cummings "The is SW1 code for: leadership contest is imminent, sign up early if you want a seat in Cabinet, am on phone to donors & getting office set up, there has to be one non-brexit nutter in last 2"

[Sephiroth]

Is he gone yet?

How about now?

Ok? now?

[diable rouge]

This is very good...https://twitter.com/i/status/1483419587542761472

[Seabag]

I?m actually enjoying all this very much, it?s like a good box set.

Seeing Johnson getting the death by a thousand cuts treatment.

[TheCat]

Im really not....love him or hate him....while he's fighting reputational fires related to relevelations from stuff that happened 18 months ago....hes not focussed on actually running the country (one could argue if he ever was to be fair)...

So the national just drifts, and drifts with nothing but hot air underpinning it.....

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

The best way to avoid getting drawn into distracting investigations into illegality is to not do illegal stuff in the first place. It's not foolproof but it works most of the time. Johnson should try it.

[intexasatthe moment]

In case anyone has missed this Line of Duty interview taking BJ to task .

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2022/01/18/watch-led-by-donkeys-video-sees-line-of-duty-probe-boris-johnson/

[diable rouge]

I wouldn't say I'm enjoying it, his premiership has been another self-inflicted debacle that is once again reflecting badly on the country as a whole and how the world sees us.

But, he needs to go, by any means necessary, and it does seem rather apt watching him slowly being eaten alive by his own lying, the same lying that he's used and knowingly been allowed to get away with all his life.

The Conservative Party and all those that happily clapped and cheered him along, need to take a long, hard look at themselves in the mirror...

[Sephiroth]

I'm certainly not enjoying the damage being done to the country (then again, "f*** business" eh?)

But I am very much enjoying some degree of accountability, some sort of comeuppance for such a blatant, awful liar. The longer he stays in power the worse it will be for the country so, god riddance

What I WILL enjoy is knowing that for as long as he lives, he will live with the shame. The reality gap between how he saw himself as PM and the the actuality.

he should never have been PM - but he came to power because of lies (his brexit lies) and so he departs because of lies. There were only ever lies

And so now we face a 4th tory PM in 6 years.

[jazzer]

What the opposition should be banging on about is the cost of living and household fuel cost increases; That is what the country cares about way more than whether he attended a party/parties, couldn't care less tbh, but I care about inflation rising, now 5.4% which means the cost of items in the shops going up week on week and the whopping increases in household fuel costs.

[jazzer]

David Davis goes for Boris's jugular at PMQ's....OuCh............................

[JohnL]

So an MP defects and many would say the MP should call a by election (or the constitution should) as the MP has obviously moved away from his party.

But what if the party they ran for has changed and the MPs values are the same ? The constituents voted for the MP not the party according to our system - otherwise move towards PR.

(not saying they are in this case as I have