Lordship lane Co-op wants to open 23/7

[puzzled]

james barber misleads everyone. we do not really know if he wants and m&s or not, for a start. we do know he has whipped his little lib dem crew into being agin the co-op. there has always been a killjoy non-conformist chapel streak in the libs.... apart from groping the young female head office staff that is

[ellieaness]

James Barber Wrote:

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> Sainsbury's aren't open 24hours any more.

>

> The 'we' is East Dulwich ward councillors. We

> think the area already has sufficient 24/7 corner

> stores. But a proper supermarket being open 24/7

> could lead to it being a destination and parking

> issues. We think the residents around Lordship

> Lane deserve a break at least during the nights.

I don't think there are any 24/7 corner shops. Certainly when I've needed something like Nurofen or allergy tablets desperately in the middle of the night I have been able to get hold of them.

[the-e-dealer]

Little Jimmy Baba has found them! I'm not sure where he looked!

[KalamityKel]

There's no point nit picking the application - it's just your basic and standard variation on existing hours. Likelyhood is if granted Co-op wont make use of all the hours anyway...

[Designerjooles]

Hi James,

I wholeheartedly object to the proposal for a few reasons. Number one being - why on earth would we need another shop open through the night when you have the Costcutter and Londis open both either side of the coop?!???

Also, i live on Ashbourne Grove - the Lordship Lane end, and the disruption during the day is fine/acceptable, but to have it throughout night as well would make our living environment much less comfortable. I assume that they would have deliverys throughout the night - or perhaps later than normal and that would be the main problem for us (noise). Parking is always an issue - and always has been - but you accept that living so close to a busy high street.

Thank you for objecting.

[bheroniphr]

I think this is a good idea too. Can't see the reasons for objections tbh.

[linzbee]

looks like the local councillor is trying to meddle with business in a recession. Last time I check the Co-operative was a 'Co-operative' owned for the benefit of its members. Not a giant multi-national trying to take over the world.

By challenging an application, means the loss of needed local jobs. by blocking applications like this, you leave those people on JSA. You should be helping these people get off benefits by supporting the expansion of business in the area, not blocking it.

With Dulwich and West Norwood having 3,988 claimants of JSA and Camberwell and Peckham having 5,399 you could be helping reduce that by not blocking this application. Even its its just 10 staff they employ that's still between ?562 and ?1114 saved per week from the public purse. That might not seem like a lot, but how many other businesses are the local Lib Dem councillors and Tessa Jowell blocking that could bring jobs to the local community?

"big decision affecting East Dulwich Night Time Economy" Please! by blocking this you are affecting the economy!

[Sue]

James Barber Wrote:

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> Hi Sue,

> I didn't spot your comment before now and it's

> late. So I'll check it out tomorrow and come back

> to you.

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So what is the result of your checking out?

Has the Co-Op applied to sell alcohol 24 hours or not?

The evidence - including the attachment to your own original post on this thread! - suggests not, in which case should you not be correcting your subsequent post on this thread before your misinformation becomes even more entrenched in people's minds?

[polla2256]

camberwell70 Wrote:

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> Where is there a 24hr House of Fraser?

The reference was made to the debate of extended sunday hours and longer winter opening hours (that will most likely include autumn too).

[polla2256]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> Yeah, right on. In fact, I suggest that shops

> should only be allowed to between 10am and 1pm.

>

> And on the Sabbath, such things should be totally

> prohibited as we should be dedicating ourselves to

> thanking the Lord (for he hath given us fish

> fingers and Haagen Dazs ice cream).

>

> Or we could join the 21st century.

LOL 21st century ? What has this got to do with a local shop ?

Also drawing a refence to religion highlights your short comings. Yes it was a means of control and is why we do have some laws on sundays etc but I prefer we control our own detiny, our own social culture, own minds and own freedom. To me this is the 21st century.

[Sue]

Erm, I think Jeremy was joking :))

[Lowlander]

ellieaness Wrote:

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> James Barber Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Sainsbury's aren't open 24hours any more.

> >

> > The 'we' is East Dulwich ward councillors. We

> > think the area already has sufficient 24/7

> corner

> > stores. But a proper supermarket being open

> 24/7

> > could lead to it being a destination and

> parking

> > issues. We think the residents around Lordship

> > Lane deserve a break at least during the

> nights.

>

>

> I don't think there are any 24/7 corner shops.

> Certainly when I've needed something like Nurofen

> or allergy tablets desperately in the middle of

> the night I have been able to get hold of them.

There's a Londis opposite the Palmerston on LL open 24 hours. With a big "open 24 hours" sign.

[Jeremy]

Indeed I was joking.

And disagreeing (strongly) with polla2256's remarks at the same time.

[the-e-dealer]

Credit where credits due James has apologised - too infrequent for politicians!

[Sue]

the-e-dealer Wrote:

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> Credit where credits due James has apologised -

> too infrequent for politicians!

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But his post giving the wrong information is still there??!!??!! He hasn't corrected it at all??!!??!!

Re: Lordship lane Co-op wants to open 24/7

Posted by James Barber March 05, 01:50PM

Hi worldwiser,

The Co op have appleid to extend existing licence from 6am-10pm to 5am-11pm and applied for a second licence to sell alcohol 11pm to 5am. Effectively they can sell 24hours.

Any review of licences could include cnditions around deliveries. So if I were you I'd contact the licensing officers and state that deliveries are an issues and ask for conditions aorund times of deliveries.

I've not been able to track down any planning conditions about times of opening or deliveries. I've asked officers if they have any recorded.

hope this helps.

Regards james.

[James Barber]

Hi Sue,

Today I've corrected the opening post and apologised. I've PM'd everyone who had posted anything apologising and correcting what the application is for.

What you've posted above is not what the opening thread now says.

Please tell me how I can be clearer and correct the wrong start?

NB. The Coop is still seeking to open close to 24/7. Openin gat 6am and closing 5am the following day.

[Penguin68]

James

Technically I think they are asking to open 23/7, not 24/7 (and not even that as Sunday opening will still be restricted to 10-4 or 11-5). They will be closed (presumably for cleaning/ re-stocking) between 5:00am and 6:00am. So your headline should be Lordship Lane Co-op want to open 23/7 (except Sundays)

But you have been quick to start to correct and apologise for unintentionally misleading readers.

[Sue]

James Barber Wrote:

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> Hi Sue,

> Today I've corrected the opening post and

> apologised. I've PM'd everyone who had posted

> anything apologising and correcting what the

> application is for.

>

> What you've posted above is not what the opening

> thread now says.

>

> Please tell me how I can be clearer and correct

> the wrong start?

>

> NB. The Coop is still seeking to open close to

> 24/7. Openin gat 6am and closing 5am the following

> day.

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The post which needed to be edited was not your original post, which you've changed.

The post which needed to be edited was the one you posted at 1.50pm on 5 March, which I have quoted above.

That was the one which caused all the confusion, not your original post. The confusion was caused because of the part I have put in bold above, which was wrong.

That wrong information is still being shown on this thread, and it was clear previously that people were reading that post without reading the rest of the thread, and hence continuing the confusion.

I hope that's clear?

Sorry, but it was that post which was the problem all along, and it's still there.

[*Bob*]

I'm trying to follow that, Sue - but I'm going for the easy option instead: hitting myself repeatedly in the face with a frying pan.

[Sue]

:)) :)) :))

It's quite easy.

James's post at 1.50pm on 5 March is still saying that the Co-Op has applied to sell alcohol 24/7.

But do feel free to do the frying pan thing. Can we come and watch?

ETA: The reason I'm continuing in this way - which is obviously very irritating to everybody else - is that there is still misinformation on the thread, and whilst the apology is welcome, it hasn't actually altered that fact.

[Louisa]

Meanwhile, paint continued to dry on a wet wall somewhere in the world.

Louisa.

[Sue]

Louisa Wrote:

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> Meanwhile, paint continued to dry on a wet wall

> somewhere in the world.

>

xxxxxxx

Well, you appear to be happy to watch it dry, and to post about it :))

[KalamityKel]

now now retract ur claws all three of you ;-)

[Jeremy]

Perhaps there is still misinformation on the thread, but everyone seems to know the truth now. James has apologised. So maybe we could let this drop...

[ianr]

The prescribed forms to apply for grant or variation of a licence (latest versions are here) have separate places in the operating schedule for the exact times of all relevant activities intended (singing, dancing, alcohol, late-night-refreshment, etc) and for the full opening hours. So, the applicant would have had to enter them all precisely, and I don't see any reason to doubt the 24 hour opening.

That said, the opening hours, other than those used for the licensable activities, are a matter not of Licensing but of Planning. On that question I've only this Q&A to offer by way of information, from http://www.lgs.uk.com/lgsuk/qa.html.

Q. As a business do I need Planning Permission to extend my hours of operation?

A. Yes if there is a condition on your original permission which restricts operating hours.

If you search on the Southwark planning register for the Co-op's postcode, SE22 8HJ, there are various minor applications dating from 1996. Not surprisingly, that's far too recent to have any details of any "original permission", assuming any was ever needed. I suppose it's possible there might have been some once granted, or that there might be a statement of law somewhere as to either deemed original permissions or procedure to be followed if there is none, or that the council has relevant usable powers concerned with public amenity; but I really have no idea.

If anyone really is interested in pursuing the 24 hour opening question, I suggest it's initially something to ask the Planning Department about, possibly channelling your requests for information through a councillor. Alternatively, look for information from those who know about planning law. It's above my (zero p/hr) pay grade.