Borexit

[TheCat]

No, the thread subject is not a typ0.....

While Mr Johnson's demise has long been (usually incorrectly) forecast on these pages.....Does the collective forum wisdom think we'll get to the next GE with Boris at the helm?

A few discussion points:

- Boris is inexorably linked with Brexit. Will the Tories feel the need to make something of a break from that and lure some ex-Tory voting remainers back into the fold? There will, of course, be ongoing policy work and EU negotiations/re-negotiations to manage...we're by no means 'done'; and whoever replaces him will probably still be a Brexiteer, but obviously without the same level of synonymous branding

- Tories are riding high in the polls, but once the euphoria of 'freedom' wears off, and life returns to something as close to normal as pragmatically possible - will this governments seemingly totally chaotic decision making process on day to day issues be laid bare?

- Despite the polls and the parliamentary majority, there have obviously been quite a few unhappy Tory backbenchers at various times over the past 12 months. Now at present I cant see the sense in any serious challenger raising their head above the parapet right now...I mean its quite hospital pass to take COVID 3rd wave/NIP arguments/Striking nurses etc...but perhaps in 12 months time things could be different?

- Is all of the above just thinking about this too deeply, and the bloke has a massive majority and a massive poll lead - so the answer as to when, is whenever he wants?

Polite request to forumites: Please please, please...while the other 'B' word has been mentioned, can we please not let this become another thread which argues about whether it was a good idea/bad idea/disaster/Sunlit Uplands etc etc....we generally know who thinks what...and that's unlikely to change...in anycase there are plenty of other threads to take potshots at eachother about that....:)

[Sephiroth]

I can understand the sentiment to keep this thread free of the other B word and agree that there are plenty of other threads for that conversation to continue (teeny caveat = they ARE inextricably linked. I'll leave it there. But it's true. That being said I'll try)

I've long contested that Johnson is so out of his depth, and taking the country and his party out of their depths that not only will he not contest next election, but that election will happen sooner than people think. I believe one of ???? last posts was berating me about this very claim. It might happen - he might stumble on until 2024 and contest that election but I already think the wheels are starting to come off, just a little bit for now - but perceptively so.

(This very thread bears testament to this fact I think)

Starmer and Labour are (correctly) criticised for not giving us any kind of narrative or plan. But it's blindingly obvious this govt have a vacuum where a purpose should be

But never underestimate voters capacity to not want to admit a mistake if it makes them look bad

[TheCat]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> But never underestimate voters capacity to not

> want to admit a mistake if it makes them look bad

Not sure I agree with that. The ballot box is the one place you can go and not have to justify your decision to anyone but yourself.

I think voters? gratitude is short-lived...look at the various by-election swings this year. For me, events over the next few years are likely to play a much bigger part in many Leave voters? views of Boris Johnson at the next general election than his status as hero of the referendum campaign (not my view, but im generalising). They have banked his achievements (such as they are), and will be looking for what comes next. While Remainers will carry on seeing every failure as confirmation of their contempt and loathing.

[Sephiroth]

You're going to have to do better than that if you want people to not mention the other B word - Remainer this, Leaver that! ;-)

[TheCat]

Ah...yes...Leavers and Remainers do exist, and it will probably impact their view of Boris, that much we can acknowledge....but I make no comment on which group was right or wrong....

Thats where i'd ideally like the line drawn on this thread!

[Spartacus]

I guess the real crunch point is if Boris delivers on his promises to level up t' north and if the former red wall remains blue or reverts back to red.

London has a lot of labour supporters but not enough to be the deciding factor in a GE so it possibly relies on how voters outside of the M25 feel on election day!

[Sephiroth]

I?d be beyond amazed to the point of stupefaction if boris was genuinely interested in levelling up anywhere.

Maybe as an intellectual exercise that would make him popular

But the detail is way beyond him

As is the fact they the other B word has scuppered any possible chance of having the money/logistics to do it. (Oops)

[jazzer]

What we need is an active and proper opposition party willing to hold Boris and his Ministers to account. PMQ's and targeted speeches on specific issues is the way this can be done. Press the Government or Front Bench Minister to get real answers, don't let them dodge the bullet. i.e how Laura Kuenssberg this week dealt with slimy Cummings, maybe cummings by name and nature!!!

Until that happens, Boris will continue with his attempt at running UK plc.

[Seabag]

What?s this thread about?

Borish Johnson?

[Alan Medic]

Perhaps a real indicator as to how long the PM will last is if a poll was done to find out how many people refer to him as Boris or Johnson. I'd say the overwhelming majority refer to him as 'Boris' currently but I'm hopeful that will change. The sooner the better please. I hate people calling him Boris. It isn't even his name ffs. He's not your friend and he really doesn't care about you.

[TheCat]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> Perhaps a real indicator as to how long the PM

> will last is if a poll was done to find out how

> many people refer to him as Boris or Johnson. I'd

> say the overwhelming majority refer to him as

> 'Boris' currently but I'm hopeful that will

> change. The sooner the better please. I hate

> people calling him Boris. It isn't even his name

> ffs. He's not your friend and he really doesn't

> care about you.

Yeah...but Borexit sounds a bit snappier than Jonexit, right?

You're not alone of the forum in this view, as I know another prominent poster who gets a little irked by the same thing! I don't really get the problem myself though, as Boris is an unusual name, and Johnson is very common, so it's not a massive surprise that Boris gets used to refer to him....I don't think it really an indication of familiarity. But, even if it is...I'd argue it belongs in the 'tiny things that cause irrational rage' thread:)

[Seabag]

I prefer Bojo

Hopefully he?s registered his face on an egg, like a true pro

https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/clown-egg-register

I?ve signed up here myself as I?m hoping Bojo will offer a masterclass one day, once his hung up his current glossy blue size 18 shoes.

https://www.clownsinternational.com/register/

[Spartacus]

Got to admit

I keep on reading the title of this as "Broexit" a thread about the break up of two best mates over something trivial (sounds like a soap plot line)

Thinking deeper BoJo and Cummings could be the leading players!

[malumbu]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> Perhaps a real indicator as to how long the PM will last is if a poll was done to find out how many people refer to him as Boris or Johnson. I'd say the overwhelming majority refer to him as 'Boris' currently but I'm hopeful that will change. The sooner the better please. I hate people calling him Boris. It isn't even his name ffs. He's not your friend and he really doesn't care about you.

Mr/Ms/Mrs Medic, plagiarising my posts? Couldn't have put it any better myself, and almost the same words as I put in a complaint to the BBC. I kept that one going for some time, having superficial replies, escalating to the DG but eventually even I gave up expecting a proper response. Grauniad is no better - 2/3rd of their articles refer to him as Boris Johnson. Well at least his own party, and some of the better politicians in other parties, refer to him formally as the PM. In his cockups in County Hall he becomes the former Mayor of London in my parlance.

[Sephiroth]

Given current situation, how do people feel about Johnson these days (eg after Afghanistan events)

I?ve been mocked for saying he will be gone by now but his presences isn?t just down to how people feel about the opposition

He is toxic for the country yet people still find ways to excuse him. I was wrong that he wouldn?t last this long but my reasoning was sound. He is not a normal functioning leader and this government are not normal conservatives

They are inadequates who exist only because of loyalty to an already insane ideology. When you look at the calibre of tories expunged (grieve/Stewart/ even hunt) and what remains. How can you not howl at the craziness of it all?

[KidKruger]

The scary thing is the power these inadequates are in a position to exercise - and the potential gravity of decisions they may make.

I mean, look what Trump, an unqualified and uneducated (in anything useful) leader, did by deciding to just quit Afghanistan.

You vote for these clowns and you risk literally everything, like we?re doing with BoJo and his unqualified inadequates.

[Seabag]

Johnson is just the crown on the boil, its visible septic head, if you will.

Underneath him, emboldened by him are the likes of Patel, Raab and late others like Hancock. All of them trotting out their ?Whilst I?m saving lives? and ?make criminals wear hi viz and clean the streets? and other such things that those who put them in power like very much, but generally won?t exactly come out with themselves whilst in decent company.

They?re all proxy?s to an underbelly of less than pleasant prejudice of a great deal of seemingly ?nice? on the face of it people. And those irked by political correctness of having someone with a conscience running the country. One day, with hope and after a lot more cark from this ruling shambles, someone will strike a cord, and emerge.

That person doesn?t have to be a lefty or a liberal, there?s also conservatives with the characteristics you?d need, only for now, BlowJo has expelled them from the party, scared of being held to account.

But as always, daggers are ready to run him through, for the good of the party, yadda yadda.