above the shops Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 There is finally some building movement in the old Brick House site. But it's of a slightly alarming nature.Over the past week they have ripped off the existing roof and erected much a larger steel frame. This is completely blocking our view of greenery and gardens. And is a bit odd as a commercial structure that is now going to tower over the residential back gardens of properties in Zenoria Street, Oxonian Street and East Dulwich Grove. I've looked at length this morning on the Southwark planning portal, but the only planning applications I can find on this site are for the change from A1 to A3, and for the extension to opening hours. There doesn't appear to be an application for this building work, which surely must require it. Does anyone have experience here? Or able to advise on what we should / could do about it. I'm not against Gail's moving in per se, but this is worrying - and at the absolute mininum we should be able to see what the plans are for I think. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/289888-gails-development-of-the-brick-house-planning-permission/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed26 Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 Is that the old roof coming off or the new roof going on. Doesn't look any higher than the neighbouring properties from the photo, so I'm not sure that planning permission would be an issue. But of course, the right process needs to be followed. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/289888-gails-development-of-the-brick-house-planning-permission/#findComment-1525471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
above the shops Posted July 21, 2021 Author Share Posted July 21, 2021 The red steels are the new roof going on, and it is significantly higher / larger than the old one. And even if the height is the same the current house frontage, this is right up to the back property wall. which is not really the same thing. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/289888-gails-development-of-the-brick-house-planning-permission/#findComment-1525473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AylwardS Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 I think there was a planning application from 2019 (in the old planning register) that was granted19/AP/0634 Proposal : Extending the roof structure to accomodate additional office and commercial work space with a terracehttps://planning.southwark.gov.uk/online-applications-old/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=_STHWR_DCAPR_9582154One of the documents is the list of those consulted.Another is the decision notice which states they have to start works within 3 years. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/289888-gails-development-of-the-brick-house-planning-permission/#findComment-1525476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
above the shops Posted July 21, 2021 Author Share Posted July 21, 2021 Thanks so much for sharing, I don't why I didn't find it.It's really useful to see. Not happy about the size and scale but at least there's permission for it. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/289888-gails-development-of-the-brick-house-planning-permission/#findComment-1525483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
smooch Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 I don't go to Gails anymore - though I love their salads - the owner is apparently a proud Brexit advocate...Dont do spoons either.....(yes sorry I know its totally irrelevant to the discussion - I'll get my coat) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/289888-gails-development-of-the-brick-house-planning-permission/#findComment-1525561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartblock Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 The owner is rather repulsive..I find the bread disappointing...but those quiches are hard to resist. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/289888-gails-development-of-the-brick-house-planning-permission/#findComment-1525572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiddles Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 Oh crikey I thought It was just me with the anti - owner thing!! Delighted someone else is as angry as me !!! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/289888-gails-development-of-the-brick-house-planning-permission/#findComment-1525585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartblock Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 Oh he is a complete dick...we can?t be the only two who think that....nice pastries though. If I buy something from there ...I think I will have to give double the money I have spent to Refugee Action https://www.refugee-action.org.uk/?gclid=CjwKCAjwi9-HBhACEiwAPzUhHNNWnzC4AA_ArRgR-FPsYK4mAXvcUSN_OwaJWlsDFNSsJ09nUafZaBoCAz4QAvD_BwE to feel clean again. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/289888-gails-development-of-the-brick-house-planning-permission/#findComment-1525593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigello Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 He is so repulsive that he is creating decent products (at inflated prices, somewhat, I grant you), paying taxes and national insurance, improving high streets and creating jobs. What an absolute scoundrel! How dare he have private beliefs that are not totally in line with mine/yours/etc. Cancel him immediately! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/289888-gails-development-of-the-brick-house-planning-permission/#findComment-1525608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 I won't go to Gail's. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/289888-gails-development-of-the-brick-house-planning-permission/#findComment-1525618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redpost Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 I thought gails was owned through private equity?https://riskcapitalpartners.co.uk/portfolio/bread-holdings-plc/If true, I will let you all imagine exactly how much corporation tax was paid Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/289888-gails-development-of-the-brick-house-planning-permission/#findComment-1525650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartblock Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Well, I?m not cancelling Gail?s....oh the escalation! But he is a dick of the first order. Lovely quiches though. I can make better ones, but sometimes it?s nice to buy a lovely hot cheesy, mushroomy one from there. But yes...definitely give x2 the same amount spent in Gail?s each time to refugeeaction to cleanse myself of his dickness. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/289888-gails-development-of-the-brick-house-planning-permission/#findComment-1525681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cora Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Worth checking with the planning enforcement team at Southwark to be sure it is all legit... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/289888-gails-development-of-the-brick-house-planning-permission/#findComment-1525761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartblock Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Pays his taxes....hhhmmmm all I can say is Patisserie Valerie Tax fraud ...Still, the chocolate cake with sugar crystals on top is amazing...a fiver to Novara every time I buy one. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/289888-gails-development-of-the-brick-house-planning-permission/#findComment-1525764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 My main problem with Gails is the way they treated Brick House and how they left the site empty for so long. Pretty shoddy imo. Brick were a great, local, independent business. Didn?t know the other stuff about their owner, but makes sense. They generally seem like dcks. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/289888-gails-development-of-the-brick-house-planning-permission/#findComment-1525794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernmonkey Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 But rahrahrah - isn't that a problem with the Landlord who was willing to negotiate and kick out their long standing tenant? Gails commercial team will have specs for suitable sites, but it would have been 'unusual' that the team were just speculatively contacting the landlords of existing successful businesses and just happened to contact Parkhill (I think but might be wrong on that) just at the point of the lease extension?I too would much rather have Brick House than Gails btw but my judgement here is 100% with the landlord of the property. Chains can always afford to pay more and weather the storm. Lots of independents still to support though so you know what to do people! I suspect though that Gail's will be very successful on that site - hopefully there is room for all. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/289888-gails-development-of-the-brick-house-planning-permission/#findComment-1525819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartblock Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Agreed, the Landlord could have offered BrickHouse fair rent and encouraged a small business, but obviously Gail?s can afford this increased rent. I miss my Peckham Rye loaf. :( Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/289888-gails-development-of-the-brick-house-planning-permission/#findComment-1525848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 northernmonkey Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> But rahrahrah - isn't that a problem with the> Landlord who was willing to negotiate and kick out> their long standing tenant? > > Gails commercial team will have specs for suitable> sites, but it would have been 'unusual' that the> team were just speculatively contacting the> landlords of existing successful businesses and> just happened to contact Parkhill (I think but> might be wrong on that) just at the point of the> lease extension?> > I too would much rather have Brick House than> Gails btw but my judgement here is 100% with the> landlord of the property. Chains can always> afford to pay more and weather the storm. Lots of> independents still to support though so you know> what to do people! I suspect though that Gail's> will be very successful on that site - hopefully> there is room for all.The landlord is certainly at fault. But my issue was that Gails forced a profitable independent out and then left the space empty for? how long is it now? Maybe I?m being unfair, but it felt shoddy to me. The fact that the owner is also a bit of a knob just makes me feel less than warm towards them. I?m not calling for a boycott or anything. Just not a fan myself so won?t be using them. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/289888-gails-development-of-the-brick-house-planning-permission/#findComment-1525885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishbiscuits Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 heartblock Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> nice pastries though.Pretty average, I reckon. OK so their stuff is a couple of notches above Starbucks/Nero/etc but almost every neighborhood in London has better to offer these days. Brick house were glorious... morning buns.. jam bostock... chocolate sourdough... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/289888-gails-development-of-the-brick-house-planning-permission/#findComment-1525919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelina Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 I can't eat anything from Gail's since I saw flies crawling over the food. Make me feel sick just walking past it. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/289888-gails-development-of-the-brick-house-planning-permission/#findComment-1525929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartblock Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 It was shoddy, I avoid Gail?s.......I do like some of it. Because I can cook, it?s always an issue, I?m constantly disappointed. I eat out through sheer laziness. He is a dick, Gail?s is a salty, sugary, dirty hit and LL needs some protection from the chains. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/289888-gails-development-of-the-brick-house-planning-permission/#findComment-1526003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewWave Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 rahrahrah Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> My main problem with Gails is the way they treated> Brick House and how they left the site empty for> so long. Pretty shoddy imo. Brick were a great,> local, independent business. Didn?t know the other> stuff about their owner, but makes sense. They> generally seem like dcks.Totally agree.And I find Gails very overpriced and over hyped.Also I dislike the way the whole chain smacks of marketing give it a nice wholesome female name to make it appear 'homemade' flog your leftover scraps under any guise possible to maximise profit whilst pretending to be doing it 'to minimise food waste' (only a matter of time before they scrape the burnt bits off of things and market it as tooth whitening charcoal ).Finally if we must have a bakery type chain thingy in ED I'd rather have Ole and Steen the Danish chain.Great salads breads pastries and coffees and everything tastes less processed than Gails.As you can gather-I won't go there.The owner is a dick and the shops always stink of synthetic 'baked goods' smells in fact the odour is borderline sickly. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/289888-gails-development-of-the-brick-house-planning-permission/#findComment-1526028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
first mate Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Agree with all this. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/289888-gails-development-of-the-brick-house-planning-permission/#findComment-1526035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KateFord Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Attaching a photo of the inside - as you can see it?s a huge space! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/289888-gails-development-of-the-brick-house-planning-permission/#findComment-1526163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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