Rye Lane NEWSFLASH buses to return !

[jazzer]

Rye Lane was shut without consultation to traffic because of covid to allow greater self distancing, well it can be re-opened just as quickly without consultation as well. Why should I be inconvenienced to walk from the Heaton Arm's to the bottom of Rye Lane to go to the Aylsham or to Lidl and then have to walk back with two bags of shopping. Why not re-instate the buses as they were before?

Southwark have failed on several occasions already to close of the lane to traffic when they installed the non working pop up and down bollards, then the fiasco of the gas mains being replaced and before that Thames Water. All resulted in the closure of Rye Lane and great inconvenience to a lot of people.

The closure is slowly killing the remaining businesses in Rye Lane, the snooker hall closed because it was difficult to get deliveries, the Post Office closed as well, people no longer feel safe at night, the graffiti "artists" are having a field day there.

The traffic has been moved from Rye Lane to Copeland Road 24hrs a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, how do you think they feel about all the extra traffic they now have to endure? Moving the extra traffic from one road to another Ain't the answer or the solution.

You may not mind the inconvienience but guess what, I do, so BrInG bACk ThE BuSeS.

[malumbu]

Alice, there are plenty of threads elsewhere to show your displeasure at Southwark, the Dulwich LTNs and your chip on your shoulder about Dulwich Villagers. Jazzer, you straplines are doing my head in, I am looking for some subliminal messages but not sure. The Post Office closed four years ago before Covid. Replacing utilities is nothing to do with closing roads for traffic. Rye Lane was not a through road in any case. Such views are rather mistaken.

[intexasatthe moment]

I used to go to a number of shops in Rye Lane ,Asda ,Khans ,One Below ,Mighty Pound ,Iceland , Morrisons ,Pound Stretcher ,Lidls . I enjoyed browsing and looking for the best deals .Lots of walking and I stretched myself .But I could manage because I could access a bus if I needed to.

I would only use the bus stop in Peckham High St by the Nat West in extremis because of the narrowness of the pavement ,crowding ,pollution and would stagger round to Rye Lane if I possibly could .

I don't browse anymore .I don't catch the train from Peckham Rye or pop into Iceland to pick up dinner when returning from an outing .

Now I drive to Morrisons/Lidls and struggle with Denmark Hill station .I dont want to drive ,I want to be able to hop on and off buses .

I'm sure it's hard to imagine if you're young and fit, but when you're older you have less stamina and strength . You have to ration your physical activities .200m ,400m might seem nothing to many but to many others it's the last straw in being able to cope .Particularly if you have a lot of shopping .

No doubt people with young children and those that have a disability feel the same .

[jazzer]

Malambu

"Jazzer, you straplines are doing my head in", Well ain't that a shame

"I am looking for some subliminal messages but not sure." - Their are none.

"The Post Office closed four years ago before Covid". - Yes

"Replacing utilities is nothing to do with closing roads for traffic." Yes it is when it resulted in the Lane being closed to through traffic

"Rye Lane was not a through road in any case". WrOnG, yes it WaS

"Such views are rather mistaken." No they aren't

[Pugwash]

intexasatthemoment

Agree with you entirely - 400 hundred m with even light shopping is tiring for me. Arthritis in knees, hips and back mean that unless dosed up with pain killers etc 200 m is more likely my maximum. I could manage a walk from HSBC/Primark upto stop by Khans to get bus back home, And would often get of at the station to walk down to Boots/Argos etc and pick up 12/197 near Primark back.

[BrandNewGuy]

malumbu Wrote:

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> Alice, Jazzer, it would be great to hear what your

> perspective is. I've posted plenty on the LTN

> threads about my views on the need to reduce road

> traffic. Mainly met with deaf ears. And often

> criticism that I don't live in East Dulwich. I

> can almost spit into SE22. I live further away

> from Peckham, and I expect that you don't live

> there either. But like Lordship Lane I use the

> Rye for shopping, and I have will have similarly

> been 'inconvenienced' by road closures. But I

> choose to see the benefits. Why are you so

> resistance to change? Are you simply entitled

> motorists? Or do you have other reasons?? I

> don't get it. And I don't buy this argument that

> it is all about those less mobile.

malumbu, this is at least the second time that you've (deliberately?) conflated the wish to bring back buses to Rye Lane with bringing back all traffic. Please don't do it again. Anyone advocating increased cycling/walking at the expense of the private motorist will not help their case by being "anti bus".

[malumbu]

Well not intentionally, the point was that closing Rye Lane to through traffic (mainly buses) should not lead to significant congestion elsewhere. I also see this thread as more opportunity by some to 'bash' Southwark, continuing many of the threads on the East Dulwich section. I'm not anti-bus, and use them, including occasional commuting on the 185 (before 8 when the school run made it too congested) into Victoria sitting reading my book glad that I was not on a crowded train.

1. I like the idea of pedestrianising shopping areas. It's been common for a number of decades. I'd like the street to be re-laid to both improve both the aesthetics and how the space is used/managed.

2. I've acknowledged the need for access for those that need it, but feel that others are using this as an argument just to oppose new traffic measures

3. I've discussed cycle access, I don't see any easy alternatives to cycling through Rye Lane. It was my commuting route for 20 years and I will continual to carefully use this route. I've seen little conflict between bike and pedestrians, of course sadly it happens but please don't blow out of all proportion.

4. Rye Lane was blighted by a few selfish shoppers/drivers, who parked on the double yellows, and blocked buses. I raised this with Southwark, but got nowhere, I was disappointed that the parking attendants seemed so impotent. But I did get some good data from Southwark about enforcement through an FOI, which showed a significant number of FPNs were issued - although didn't seem to deter the double yellow lane parkers. This road was supposedly no access to cars but never felt that way. I am glad the illegal parking has stopped.

5. I was also disappointed that the curb on final part of the Rye, going down to the crossing, is so damaged due to buses mounting the pavement. I took this up with Southwark and TfL but got nowhere.

I'm a user of Rye Lane as a shopper, for occasional socialising and for transport. It's good to chat about the issues. I'm not campaigning on this either way.

[JohnL]

Well they're digging up the bit by Heaton Road again this weekend. Not sure why it needs digging up so much.

The huge change around the station will be happening this year so I guess a closure will cover that anyway ?

[Nigello]

I agree that pedestrianisation can help in some places, but Rye Lane just does not seem right for it, especially the bit from the station to the start of Peckham Rye (ie. Tesco area). I think pedestrianisation here would make it even more unwelcoming, especially at night where there would be no passing traffic of any kind. I like the idea of cleaner air but life is a compromise, so aiming for really low particulates at the expense of life and bustle and a sense of safety and access to transport isn't on. Buses are getting cleaner, trees can be planted and both will help keep pollutants low, much lower than if cars and vans were allowed. Rye Lane has seen better days and I hope that perfection (ie. NO cars, NO emissions) won't be chased because it means bad results in other areas (like sense of liveliness, safety, etc.)

[Pugwash]

just trying to think where there are pedestrianized shopping areas. Lewisham - no but they have the centre, Catford - no but they have the centre, Penge - no, Beckenham- no, Camberwell- no, Walworth road - no.

Peckham needs to have buses running down it's shopping area, Admittedly bad parking did snarl up the traffic but some short term parking bays (30 mins max) could help shoppers who need to transport heavy goods.

[jazzer]

There is a huge car park behind Rye Lane opposite the junction by Bournemouth Road where Coles and Wimpy used to be.

[BrandNewGuy]

malumbu, you still need to explain why Peckham Rye station shouldn't have bus stops outside. When I lived at the bottom end of Barry Road and commuted into Farringdon, I either walked to and from the station or, if running late or it was p*ssing down, I'd jump on the 12 or the 63. Local commuters who lived further away than that (eg top of of Barry Road) would get the bus every day.

Peckham Rye is a busy SE London hub, serving London Bridge, Blackfriars and beyond, Victoria, Croydon, Bromley, Sevenoaks etc etc. There's no equivalent busy station that does not have buses outside. It's called integrated public transport which, for a busy city, is probably more important than improving cycling and walking.

[JohnL]

I'm 90% sure that once the works at the station are completed buses will be allowed through Rye Lane (but no cars).

I have no insider information though :)

[Earl Aelfheah]

malumbu Wrote:

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> ?my point was that many of you

> use this, air quality and other factors as the

> reason you oppose anything that restricts

> vehicles.

It is notable how some people have suddenly become very concerned about pollution. Not enough to give up their car, but enough to campaign against schemes that make driving less convenient.

[spider69]

JohnL Wrote:

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> I'm 90% sure that once the works at the station

> are completed buses will be allowed through Rye

> Lane (but no cars).

>

>

> I have no insider information though :)

Today all Peckham busses seem to be diverted through East Dulwich. Good luck

[JohnL]

spider69 Wrote:

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> JohnL Wrote:

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> > I'm 90% sure that once the works at the station

> > are completed buses will be allowed through Rye

> > Lane (but no cars).

> >

> >

> > I have no insider information though :)

>

> Today all Peckham busses seem to be diverted

> through East Dulwich. Good luck

Got caught by that twice today as I had an Office visit. I think Consort Road is shut due to the shooting.

[malumbu]

Pedestrianised my local high street years ago, before that a congested A road went straight through it. Catford and Lewisham both have pedestrianised areas, well away from the stations, which aren't conveniently located. Question is how important connectivity is vs streets for people. I expect for some the convenience of the bus stop and station collocated is useful for commuting, which may or may not be good for the local high street (depending on how much trade that brings in.

Here's some of the world's best pedestrianised areas - wouldn't Peckham be great if it was like New Orleans for example!

https://www.afar.com/magazine/the-10-best-pedestrian-streets-around-the-world

[jazzer]

Your argument doesn't stand as both Lewisham and Catford have bus services close to the shopping areas.

Suggest you must try harder in future when picking such poor examples.

Now back to the matter in hand, with both Consort Road temporarily closed due to a shooting at the weekend, and Rye Lane closed, where is all the traffic diverting, that's right straight through East Dulwich making the situation there a thousand times worse. Simple, if Rye Lane was open this would not be the case.

It's time to stop the inconvenience and re-open Rye Lane BEFORE it turns into a ghost town, where are The Specials when you need them???

[malumbu]

You really don't want to go back to Coventry in the early 80s, it was scary, trust me. I expect it is quite nice now.

[hammerman]

But we are not living in Coventry in the 1980s now malumbu (ONLY POOR OLD PECKHAM)

[JohnL]

Actually just to confirm from the TFL site - rather than divert the 63 and 78 just have stopped at Peckham Library.

"There is no service on route 63 from Peckham Library to Honor Oak and there is no service on route 78 from Peckham Library to Nunhead. "

[intexasatthe moment]

Yesterday ,Monday ,the 63s heading towards Honor Oak/Crystal Palace ( or maybe 363?) were turning round in Peckham Bus garage and travelling to Camberwell ,Dog Kennel Hill ,Goose Green and rhen down East Dulwich Road ,turning right at the common to resume route .

It worked well .

[JohnL]

Rye Lane to re-open to buses

https://www.southwark.gov.uk/news/2021/jul/rye-lane-to-reopen-to-buses

[Nigello]

Great news. Next they can tackle the litter and vandalism and then, maybe, just maybe, it will be a fit place for everyone (not just the young and trendy who like a slice of edge with their I P A) to shop and enjoy.

[intexasatthe moment]

Excellent .No date given though .Thank you JohnL.