Rye Lane NEWSFLASH buses to return !

[malumbu]

Good call on the substances Spartacus, but not sure who will be safer to get home afterwards, the cyclists or the drivers.

A few cyclists may be aggressive to pedestrians, but the number will be low and I doubt if they do this all the time. Occasionally I get peed off with one too many walking out in front of me not looking/on their phone and I will yell, normally because I've had a bad day. Again it is fairly rare. I've also shouted at other pedestrians when I am walking doing sudden things as they have to check their phone and I expect virtually all drivers have had similar experience.

It's just the knee jerk response that gets me, and the same arguments are trotted out every time. They come out on various threads on this forum, cyclists don't pay this that and the other, they are not insured, registered etc etc. It's all rather backwards, if I can make the leap from petrol head to tree hugger then others can too.

Spartacus Wrote:

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> I think Malumbu, the reason is because cyclists

> are often aggressive towards car drivers and

> sometimes pedestrians.

>

> I think the only answer is an in person meeting

> when it's safe to do with a big bowl of a

> hallucinogenic type tobacco product that everyone

> can participate in to come to a joint consensus on

> how everyone can all use the road together

>

> May not work but what a meeting it will be and the

> munchies after will support a local business for

> days 🤔

[first mate]

Once more, and you seem resistant to this malumbu, it needs to be re-opened to buses!

[malumbu]

I like the permanent closure, and I am happy to walk to a bus stop. I've acknowledged that there will need to be a solution for those with mobility issues etc. But this is just some personal views, I am not campaigning either way and will accept what ever comes out of it.

My main issues were those who parked on the double yellows, causing congestion as buses couldn't get past. They were I expect simply lazy drivers who couldn't give a fig, and I was disappointed about the low level of enforcement.

[Spartacus]

malumbu Wrote:

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>

> My main issues were those who parked on the double

> yellows, causing congestion as buses couldn't get

> past. They were I expect simply lazy drivers who

> couldn't give a fig, and I was disappointed about

> the low level of enforcement.

The Rye Lane parking restrictions pre pandemic operated on a timed basis, with one side being no parking in the morning, then flipping over to the other side in the afternoon.

It was designed to allow buses the room to pass and traders to load / unload.

The downside is that some people parked on the wrong side at the wrong time which is where congestion and chaos ensued

[jazzer]

Southwark need to re-open Rye Lane before it's too late, traders must be suffering and it sure is a massive inconvenience for getting to the station banks etc.

[malumbu]

I'm talking about shoppers illegally parking, not those delivering to stores. An extreme example of entitled motorists, couldn't give a fig, not those with mobility issues.

[Nigello]

The police or wardens rarely issued tickets or even got involved. The Lane deserves better, as do its workers and shoppers.

[rupert james]

Moment a man on e-scooter hurtling down the road illegally smashes into a cyclist and knocks the rider flying on busy high street

Video shows a man driving e-scooter at high speed down Rye Lane in Peckham

Driver is seen swerving into a side road before smashing into passing cyclist

Cyclist is sent flying and tumbles off his bike into road as scooter rider looks on

Daily Mail today

[redpost]

Lynne Wrote:

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> Completely agree. Bring back the buses. This is

> just driving trade to supermarkets with carparks.

What utter bilge, most parts of the rye are no further than 200m from a bus stop (bus station / stops opposite greggs / south end stops outside tesco express).

Why not think about the traders on the lane who can now breathe clean air all day?

[Spartacus]

redpost Wrote:

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> Lynne Wrote:

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> -----

> > Completely agree. Bring back the buses. This is

> > just driving trade to supermarkets with

> carparks.

>

> What utter bilge, most parts of the rye are no

> further than 200m from a bus stop (bus station /

> stops opposite greggs / south end stops outside

> tesco express).

>

> Why not think about the traders on the lane who

> can now breathe clean air all day?

What about the elderly, infirmed or disabled who find 200m equivalent to 2 miles ?

Walk (or don't) in their shoes for a day before making such blatant statements like that !

[rupert james]

I live off Rye Lane and I can assure you there is no bus stop within 200m of my house.

I suspect you are not a local resident.

[malumbu]

It find it rather hypocritical that many are only bothered by the elderly and/or those with mobility issues, or air quality, when it suits their agenda.

I've said on a number of threads on the LTN that many only 'discovered' poor air quality when the traffic restrictions affected them. I've been working to improve air quality for a number of years, and also volunteer to help older residents.

I expect that this statement is unfair on some with strong views posting here, but not all. I attempted to get a discussion on how we could support those affected by buses no longer going down the Rye, but was conveniently ignored. Can we look forward rather than looking back.

Really not sure why you are talking about Scooters Rupe. This is a national issue, and not specific to pedestrianising Rye Lane. And you've lost any moral high ground quoting the Daily Hate. There have already been plenty of discussions about electric scooters oh this forum. Whether we like it or not they are here to stay....

I'll get off my soapbox.

[redpost]

rupert james Wrote:

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> I live off Rye Lane and I can assure you there is

> no bus stop within 200m of my house.

>

> I suspect you are not a local resident.

I suspect you are or are an ex car driver?

I shop/socialise around peckham rye 3+ times a week, cannot drive and use public transport intensively.

I've looked on open street map, three replacement stops are within 220m. P13 stops are longer, the closed stop V (peckham rye station southbound) is out on a limb around 400m away. Note that the average london bus stop spacing is around 400m.

Shoppers will tend to cover the street in a linear fashion and finish their trip at one end or the other.

Any reasonable, progressive person will agree that this is a very small price to pay for the clean air in a poor working class high street. Further evidenced by the fact that almost every UK town/city has implemented extensive city centre pedestrianisation over the past 40 years or so.

I'm truly sorry that you have to walk further for the bus, but unfortunately car drivers cannot be trusted to not illegally drive down peckham rye when traffic control measures have been put in place in the past. Therefore, it needs to be closed to both cars and buses. You may find this an interesting read .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

[Spartacus]

malumbu Wrote:

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> It find it rather hypocritical that many are only

> bothered by the elderly and/or those with mobility

> issues, or air quality, when it suits their

> agenda.

>

Try being disabled or elderly and see how many seemingly simple things for the able bodied become a challenge, then discover that additional issues (no buses for example) are added to your burden then realise that removing people's mobility is the straw that breaks their backs

Stop sitting there smugly with the view that it's not an inconvenience and look at it from others perspective to realise that small changes have big impacts on people.

If you think that's hypercritical then you are showing how insensitive you are to others in society.

[jazzer]

Spartacus Wrote:

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> malumbu Wrote:

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> > It find it rather hypocritical that many are

> only

> > bothered by the elderly and/or those with

> mobility

> > issues, or air quality, when it suits their

> > agenda.

> >

> Try being disabled or elderly and see how many

> seemingly simple things for the able bodied become

> a challenge, then discover that additional issues

> (no buses for example) are added to your burden

> then realise that removing people's mobility is

> the straw that breaks their backs

>

> Stop sitting there smugly with the view that it's

> not an inconvenience and look at it from others

> perspective to realise that small changes have big

> impacts on people.

>

> If you think that's hypercritical then you are

> showing how insensitive you are to others in

> society.

Totally agree, well stated Spartacus

[alice]

Why speak for the traders when you can speak to them? [perhaps because you know you'd get a different answer]

redpost Wrote:

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> Lynne Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Completely agree. Bring back the buses. This is

> > just driving trade to supermarkets with

> carparks.

>

> What utter bilge, most parts of the rye are no

> further than 200m from a bus stop (bus station /

> stops opposite greggs / south end stops outside

> tesco express).

>

> Why not think about the traders on the lane who

> can now breathe clean air all day?

[malumbu]

Spartacus - I've posted before on this thread that there should be a solution for those with restricted mobility, my point was that many of you use this, air quality and other factors as the reason you oppose anything that restricts vehicles. I asked for imaginative solutions and got zilch back, as it seems that most want to go back rather than forward.

I've been supporting older people in my community for the last ten years, and over a similar time doing personal and professional actions to improve air quality. Perhaps you have too but I expect that many of those who are obsessed with changes to traffic management are really only concerned about the inconvenience to themselves.

[wordsworth]

I absolutely love it being traffic free.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Same

[alice]

Bring back buses, for businesses, for connections, for shoppers.

[jazzer]

AbSoLuTeLy

alice Wrote:

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> Bring back buses, for businesses, for connections,

> for shoppers.

[malumbu]

Alice, Jazzer, it would be great to hear what your perspective is. I've posted plenty on the LTN threads about my views on the need to reduce road traffic. Mainly met with deaf ears. And often criticism that I don't live in East Dulwich. I can almost spit into SE22. I live further away from Peckham, and I expect that you don't live there either. But like Lordship Lane I use the Rye for shopping, and I have will have similarly been 'inconvenienced' by road closures. But I choose to see the benefits. Why are you so resistance to change? Are you simply entitled motorists? Or do you have other reasons?? I don't get it. And I don't buy this argument that it is all about those less mobile.

[alice]

Well you are wrong. Change is what is needed. The status quo gives healthier streets to the wealthier. Change that.

[Pugwash]

Last bus stop coming from Barry Road is by Nigel Road, buses are then diverted either to near bus garage/Peckham Hill Street. You need to get a 12 bus if you need to get to the lower part of the Lane i.e Primark/Boots/HSBC etc.

Coming back towards Barry Road nearest stop is by Pub (Drovers?) or a walk up to Heaton Road near Tesco Local.

[redpost]

Pugwash Wrote:

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> Last bus stop coming from Barry Road is by Nigel

> Road, buses are then diverted either to near bus

> garage/Peckham Hill Street. You need to get a 12

> bus if you need to get to the lower part of the

> Lane i.e Primark/Boots/HSBC etc.

> Coming back towards Barry Road nearest stop is by

> Pub (Drovers?) or a walk up to Heaton Road near

> Tesco Local.

Yes, for the 12 the worst case is just under a 400m walk (on a mainly unpolluted road)

I've waited for the 37 hundreds of times on the rye before the closure, it was really quite badly polluted and unpleasant