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sorry, I should say not all the public.

Today I did a exercise walk for 20mins with partner and dog. Lots of people were still aware that there is a pandemic and kept to government guidelines. 3 young people approached us, so we walked behind each other. They however decided to stay 3 abreast. Hence, one actually hit shoulder with me. When I reminded them of social distancing, I was greeted with "oh my god!"


Am I alone in this view?? has anyone watched . Cannelton 5 today?the great plague

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Totally agree-this and joggers that run towards me panting in my face with no attempt to distance are another bone of contention.

and peoples lack of spacial awareness in supermarkets.

its deeply depressing how some people just chose to forget the basics steps to help stop the spread.

Even with the new more transmissible variant someone passing you quickly in the open, even with less than a 2 metre gap is unlikely (though it's not impossible)to pass on the virus - but it is a courtesy to give proper gaps as a reassurance, even where that may not be clinically necessary. The level of viral load (how much virus is there) seems important in transmission, and in breezy outdoor conditions this will be low with quickly passing strangers.

OutOfFocus Wrote:

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> I have taken to walking over Greendale and quiet

> streets to ruskin park. Less hectic than Peckham

> Rye. Greendale itself imcan be busy,vary the route

> depending on time.


That's a nice route. Through Ruskin and do a circle towards Herne Hill, to Brockwell, although it can get busy there

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Pugwash Wrote:

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> Husband has stopped going to the park for his

> daily exercise as too many people there, he finds

> it quieter to walk around the streets


The parks (both Dulwich and PR) are quite busy these days. Especially as the grass is very muddy/waterlogged, everyone is on the paths. I think it's OK for walking, but for jogging, it's best to find some quiet streets (ideally at night).

Our route to either park or the Horniman, involves moving from path to road and back again regularly. That's just getting there. I'm actually beginning to hate joggers, which is a strong word to use. I really don't care if the chances of catching something is small. Small is too big in this instance.
Well I jog a few times a week. I am completely unapologetic about that. Like I say, I try go out at night. But it always seems to be me making space for oncoming pedestrians, running into the road or mud, or waiting between parked cars to let people past. Almost never any sort of mutual cooperation. So tbh the bad will is not entirely one way. If you are one of the good ones (there are some), then thank you.

It?s up to the runners to avoid pedestrians on pavements or wherever they may be.

People walking have less time to react to runners than they do other people who are walking like them.

Walking on a pavement having a runner approach close from behind or not give you space from the front when oncoming means you?re getting large volumes (compared to walkers) of heavy breathing air in a short period of time.

It?s not fair and it?s not the runners automatic privilege to negatively impact the safety of pedestrians with respect to Covid.

It?s not a god-given right to slather over people during a pandemic, just cos they feel their freedoms are being impinged otherwise.

Approaching from behind - runner should make the space.


Approaching head on - should be 50/50 (with runner's responsibility to assess mobility issues, etc). Assuming two able-bodied people, you have equal time and ability to respond. Shifting over to one side of the pavement is not exactly difficult. A cooperative attitude is better than a combative one.

KidKruger Wrote:

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> It?s up to the runners to avoid pedestrians on

> pavements or wherever they may be.

> People walking have less time to react to runners

> than they do other people who are walking like

> them.

> Walking on a pavement having a runner approach

> close from behind or not give you space from the

> front when oncoming means you?re getting large

> volumes (compared to walkers) of heavy breathing

> air in a short period of time.

> It?s not fair and it?s not the runners automatic

> privilege to negatively impact the safety of

> pedestrians with respect to Covid.

> It?s not a god-given right to slather over people

> during a pandemic, just cos they feel their

> freedoms are being impinged otherwise.


Totally agree!

going to the park (especially Dulwich) is actually stressful because of all the joggers especially around late morning lunchtimes.

also the narrow pavements on Dulwich common road are often blighted by having joggers run at me puffing and panting in my face.

My OH is a daily jogger and he actually finds the park too busy and tends to jog either early morning or late evening on roads when its quieter and avoids the park now.

the WORST are the couples jogging who take up the pavement and make no attempt to go single file or break step for a moment to let pedestrians pass-I had to step into the road the other day because of this which resulted in me getting thoroughly soaked by a passing car going through a puddle.

not acceptable !

fishbiscuits Wrote:

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> Approaching from behind - runner should make the

> space.

>

> Approaching head on - should be 50/50 (with

> runner's responsibility to assess mobility issues,

> etc). Assuming two able-bodied people, you have

> equal time and ability to respond. Shifting over

> to one side of the pavement is not exactly

> difficult. A cooperative attitude is better than a

> combative one.



Hmmm..

Nope.

The runner has the speed and is in command of his movements at that speed.

The walker is much more static, doesn?t know the runners intentions, has to 2nd guess what?s going to happen.

It?s not evenly balanced no matter how much people insist it is.

It?s galling that in a pandemic spread by droplet (with 18,000 dead since 27/1/21 when our beloved BoJo announced 22days ago there would possibly be 50,000 more dead before the pandemic is over) that people actually feel entitled to approach at speed people walking on pavements, breathing heavily, seriously thinking it?s just a 50/50 convenience issue.

To me that?s as clever as anti-vaxer mentality !

No. I am the one who takes distancing seriously. I move over. I give people plenty of space.


It's not a "runner vs pedestrian" argument for me. Everyone should cooperate and give each other space, as long as you are able. Maybe make eye contact, smile... bloody hell, even say thank you. I just don't see people behaving that way.


Someone who refuses to change course even 1ft... they're either lazy or have an attitude problem.

fishbiscuits Wrote:

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> Someone who refuses to change course even 1ft... they're either lazy or have an attitude problem.


That?ll be a consolation to someone dying of Covid contracted from a runner who came too close !

KidKruger Wrote:

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> That?ll be a consolation to someone dying of Covid

> contracted from a runner who came too close !


Well I've already repeated numerous times that I do give plenty of distance. My frustration is with those who cannot be bothered to even partly reciprocate. I see exactly the same thing whether I'm walking or jogging. From the way most people behave (not social distancing), I can only conclude that contracting Covid is not really a major concern.



wordsworth Wrote:

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> Let's all clap for joggers then


Not really. Lots of runners/joggers are terrible, not giving any distance, or showing awareness of their surroundings. Running round blind corners without slowing, or running straight past bus stops. Lots of them have a terrible attitude. I do not have some sort of bizarre joggers vs pedestrian axe to grind. I have an issue with able-bodied people not socially distancing.

fishbiscuits Wrote:

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> Well I jog a few times a week. I am completely

> unapologetic about that. Like I say, I try go out

> at night. But it always seems to be me making

> space for oncoming pedestrians, running into the

> road or mud, or waiting between parked cars to let

> people past. Almost never any sort of mutual

> cooperation. So tbh the bad will is not entirely

> one way. If you are one of the good ones (there

> are some), then thank you.


I've never once seen a jogger wait between parked cars. Maybe it's because we get there first to avoid them. When someone is running towards you, you've no idea if they're going to change direction. If you're young enough to be able to jog, it shouldn't be such a big deal to run into 'the road or mud'. That's what we have to do and we're getting on a bit.


If joggers don't see that it they who should make a diversion to avoid pedestrians, then they really are just selfish and unaware humans.

Being a slow walker due to arthritis I use a stick., I am fed up with joggers/adults and children on bikes, who suddenly 'loom up' on you. I come out of my house and have to look carefully to see if I am likely to meet - the jogger over the road who suddenly decides to cross over to my side, the parent with child who suddenly decides that pavement cycling is much easier, the scooter rider who thinks it hilarious when you stop walking to avoid him.


I have nothing against those joggers/cyclists etc who are considerate to others regardless of drivers/pedestrians . I find myself stopping and avoiding couples jogging - why should I be the one who steps into the road. Busy main roads such as Barry and Lordship Lane are not appropriate areas for pavement jogging or cycling due to narrowness in part, number of bus stops and in some places uneven pavements. Hubby in his younger and fitter days used to cycle daily to work and then in the evenings would go for a 5 mile run - usually around side streets, sometimes cutting through Brockwell or Dulwich Park but avoiding main roads as much as possible.


The community spirit of last year seems to be wearing thin during this lockdown - people having less tolerance and concerns about others.

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> If you're young enough to be able to

> jog, it shouldn't be such a big deal to run into

> 'the road or mud'. That's what we have to do and

> we're getting on a bit.

>

> If joggers don't see that it they who should make

> a diversion to avoid pedestrians, then they really

> are just selfish and unaware humans.


To be honest, I mainly agree. Joggers SHOULD make space - running into the road or mud is to be expected, I don't wish to sound as though I am complaining about that! (If that's how it sounds, I have misrepresented myself, so apologies).


But I also think the person coming the other way should make a tiny little effort too, if they can. Whether the oncoming person is walking or jogging... I don't see why you would choose to behave differently, unless you have a personal grudge. Make eye contact, cooperate... if the other person has moved onto the road, you move a little over to the inside to contribute a little towards that 2 metre gap.



Pugwash Wrote:

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> I am fed up with joggers/adults and children on bikes, who suddenly 'loom up' on you.


Agreed. Runners on pavements need to be super aware of people coming in and out of houses. And the responsibility is 100% on them to make space when approaching from behind, turning a corner, or when encountering a slow moving person. If their presence comes as a surprise, it's almost certainly their fault. And two people jogging on the pavement side by side is unacceptable.


I just want everyone to be a bit more considerate and cooperative...

I'm going to admit to "bad thoughts" about joggers many times in this pandemic (amongst many other groups tbf) and I initially found fishbiscuits postings on here about jogging a tad aggravating


But he has stuck with his points and made them well and I have started to try and observe joggers behaviour before bracketing them all together and trying to be more tolerant


(even if I do still think that the "bad pedestrians exist too" debate is a bit like bad drivers complaining about bad cyclists existing too - it is both true and yet moot because the faster, bigger player overpowers the smaller one which is ultimately unfair)

If you saw me "jogging"... dragging all sorry 10 stones of my skinny ass slowly along the edge of Peckham Rye - you might not make the "faster/bigger" analogy!


Yet there is some mileage in it. Drivers need to respect cyclists and give them space. Driving a 1 tonne lump of metal brings a certain responsibility, i.e. to avoid hitting people. That doesn't take away your right to grumble about the occasional shit cyclist with his head in the clouds.

Quick evening update.


Just been out on my jog. Safely distanced. After dark, so not that many people around. Maybe 40-50% of pedestrians gave space too, in most cases I responded with a polite wave. Almost no runners gave me space... so I understand the bad blood. I do. They should know better. But that doesn't change my opinion that mutual cooperation is in everyone's interest.


Interestingly, I did see one other jogger step out into the road to avoid pedestrians. In response, a driver decided to roll down his window and shout at him (for a second I wondered if I'd need to get my skinny 10 stone ass involved.. luckily not). But it has happened to me too, previously. Drivers.. if you need to temporarily slow down to allow people to socially distance, then just bloody do it. Don't be a dick!

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