north cross road market

[ianr]

Thanks to DFox for the mention of other market closures, both public and private. This is about Hackney's Broadway Market, published 25/11/20, though in other cases, such as Cambridge, it might conceivably be a simple matter of overcrowding without the takeaways or any apparent socialising:

The Town Hall?s inclusive economy boss Cllr Guy Nicholson said: "Only a fraction of the usual Broadway Market stalls were open last weekend in line with the council?s Covid-secure street markets plan, however large numbers of visitors collecting takeaway food and alcohol from some nearby shops led to severe overcrowding along the street, which meant we were forced to close the market early on Sunday."

https://www.hackneycitizen.co.uk/2020/11/25/broadway-market-on-hold-another-early-closure/

Some photographs of any crowding or otherwise in NXRd would have been helpful.

[n dulwich northerner]

That's Hackney, not North Cross Road. Broadway Market has takeaways and food shops on both sides, is in a higher population density area, and the statement speaks of severe overcrowding. Apples and oranges?

Edit - the Hackney article was from last November. Since then we've had the British variant and more maskwearing and distance-keeping in the streets.

[n dulwich northerner]

"Some photographs of any crowding or otherwise in NXRd would have been helpful."

True. Others may well have encountered situations more worrying than I have seen on a few recent occasions, but I am pretty sceptical.

[Whoeveritis]

Good, so you?re not calling milli7uk a liar, great

[Lynne]

Yes, I would say you're much more at risk at M & S, for example, which is more crowded, indoors and people there have been known to stop and chat.

North X Rd market is currently occupying about 100 yards with newly widened pavements.

Enough places will be closing down by the time lockdown finishes, it would be a pity to lose what is, in my opinion, an asset.

[Penguin68]

It is to be hoped that within the next 4-5 weeks all those locally in the riskiest groups (Tier 1-4) will have been offered and had a vaccine, and then the vaccine has had time to become effective. So those risking themselves in any Northcross Road market huddle will not then be putting the most vulnerable, locally, at such risk. Even those vaccinated who do still then develop symptoms (3 weeks after being vaccinated) are unlikely to fall severely ill or need hospitalisation, it would seem.

This does not mean we can then move into an open house situation, but the risks we run and ask others to run will be considerably lessened. It is still true that for most of those infected, Covid-19 is neither life threatening, particularly debilitating or even noticeable. It is also true that for a very small number of people out of any at-risk group the disease can still be dreadful, and at times fatal or at least with very long-lasting impact.

Over time there may be a genetic component discovered which puts people at much greater risk, although the costs of general screening for such markers is probably prohibitive.

Hopefully by the end of April (assuming they complete initial vaccination by end March) all those over 50 will have some protection.

[n dulwich northerner]

Whoeveritis Wrote:

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> Good, so you?re not calling milli7uk a liar, great

Why would anyone? Based on seeing the market more than once, I just don't accept what they describe or the conclusions they draw.

[DulwichFox]

Penguin68 Wrote:

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> It is to be hoped that within the next 4-5 weeks

> all those locally in the riskiest groups (Tier

> 1-4) will have been offered and had a vaccine, and

> then the vaccine has had time to become effective.

> So those risking themselves in any Northcross Road

> market huddle will not then be putting the most

> vulnerable, locally, at such risk. Even those

> vaccinated who do still then develop symptoms (3

> weeks after being vaccinated) are unlikely to fall

> severely ill or need hospitalisation, it would

> seem.

>

> This does not mean we can then move into an open

> house situation, but the risks we run and ask

> others to run will be considerably lessened. It is

> still true that for most of those infected,

> Covid-19 is neither life threatening, particularly

> debilitating or even noticeable. It is also true

> that for a very small number of people out of any

> at-risk group the disease can still be dreadful,

> and at times fatal or at least with very

> long-lasting impact.

>

> Over time there may be a genetic component

> discovered which puts people at much greater risk,

> although the costs of general screening for such

> markers is probably prohibitive.

>

Hopefully by the end of April (assuming they

complete initial vaccination by end March) all

those over 50 will have some protection.

Untrue..

I am waiting to have my Cataracts done. Waited over 2 years,

I am told I will need to wait another 18 weeks. Then they will decide if they will do them.

I will need to isolate for 10 days and #

have signed a disclaimer that the operation could make me lose my sight completely.

Also a disclaimer that I cannot claim if I contract Covid whilst at the Hospital St Thomas's

Being 68 (69 in April) I am in Tier 5 (Over 65's)

I understand that I should have my Vaccine by Sept, 2021. Nothing is Guarantied.

Tier 5 is now Vulnerable people

A friend of mine who I have known since we were both 5 y/o

who is in my will died a couple of weeks ago from Covid Pneumonia ,

Her sister also in my will now has Covid and also her Husband.

I'm very concerned

People simple do not understand how contagious this Virus is.

Worth risking for a Hog Roast, a tray of Viat fast food. or Souvlaki..

Wake up !

DulwichFox

Foxy.

[RoundTable]

Foxy, I sympathise with your plight, I really do, and nobody is saying that COVID is not a reality.

My point is that the food stalls in NX market are no more dangerous than the narrow aisles in supermarkets or local food shops, and that it?s actually better to shop outside than indoors, so dońt point the finger at an outdoor market when the local shops are crammed. Even when only a few people are allowed at a time the aisles are still very narrow. I was in the greengrocer this morning and only 4 people were allowed in at a time, but I still brushed against people because it is just a small shop as are many of the smaller shops. Even in the supermarkets, often ?m surrounded by people less than 2m away.

If you consider NX market dangerous enough, then you should also worry about the local indoor shops.

The problem of COVID spread is not people going to the markets for food. The problem is a very complicated mixture of socioeconomic factors, seasonality, general poor pupulation health, chronic NHS underfunding, cramped multigenerational living arrangements, poverty, etc. But this is for a different thread.

[nxjen]

Foxy - have you seen this online calculator for when you might receive your first vaccination? I inputted your age of 68 and the result came out that you should have received your first jab by 8 March. Things are speeding up. I inputted my data into it a couple of weeks ago and the result was I should receive the first jab by middle of March - I received it yesterday.

https://www.omnicalculator.com/health/vaccine-queue-uk

[DulwichFox]

Thank you nxjen.

That is quite reassuring.

The political situation has changed because of Brexit and Vaccine distribution.

I would prefer the new vaccine that requires just a single shot.

I think most people might feel the same.. ??

I think we will all be a lot happier to have this all behind us.

Foxy

[Penguin68]

No one-shot vaccine has yet been approved for use in the UK or the EU. (Or possibly anywhere, I don't know what the Chinese or Russian vaccines require). All current 2 shot vaccines offer protection 21 or so days after use (much like the flu jab), the second jab slightly improves and extends cover is all.

The government intention is for all those over 50 to have been offered their first jab by the end of March.

We will probably need (as we do with flu) annual vaccination - Covid-19 is going to with us for the foreseeable.

[singalto]

Foxy, are you on the clinically vulnerable list? I am under 70 but clinically vulnerable and had my first jab on Tuesday..