Sunlit uplands. Are we there yet?

[KidKruger]

The Govt isn?t going to take this ?opportunity? to make anything safer, cleaner, or better quality, when they?ve had decades already to do the same unhindered - without the impact of Brexit and pandemic costs.

This seems worse than conjecture, why are you even floating this as a possibility ?!

Has TheCat got your tongue ?

[malumbu]

You seem to be arguing with yourself KK, I'm just reflecting on what our government says, for example:

"The Environment Bill is at the vanguard of our work to implement the most ambitious environmental programme of any country on earth".

The last part of the sentence would have included anti EU rhetoric a year earlier, rather than just inferring it.

[KidKruger]

No mate, I?m just contesting what you wrote about Govt ?opportunity?. If you?re saying now you didn?t mean what you wrote, it doesn?t diminish my response. I can only respond to what I read !

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> Has TheCat got your tongue ?

Maybe they've got better things to do with their time. 🤷‍♂️

[malumbu]

Obviously not in isolation like me. OK tidied up the record collection, matched my socks, onto the tax return next. Wait a sec, maybe there is an interesting thread on this forum, better check just in case......

[TheCat]

KidKruger Wrote:

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>

> Has TheCat got your tongue ?

It's nice to see that people are thinking about me, even in my forum absence.

I'm touched.

[TheCat]

OK....so here is hopefully a 'silver lining' thought to end the year for the many people concerned about brexit/tories etc etc....

At the time of the referendum, I recall saying to a friend that at least out of EU, there would be absolutley nowhere to hide for any government of the UK. And so it is transpiring, that while the pandemic is providing some cover, the general populace is slowly realising that this govt, under Johnson, is bereft of basically most positive qualities one would hope for in a government.

So...while we may enter another year of brexit doom for many of you, feel comforted that it should hasten the demise of this absolute sh-tshow of a PM...

Happy New Year all....

[Sephiroth]

imagine not knowing that anyway and having to take down a United Kingdom and many many businesses just to realise that little

(yes yes I know that's not the spirit in which the post was intended etc etc)

[TheCat]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> imagine not knowing that anyway and having to take

> down a United Kingdom and many many businesses

> just to realise that little

>

> (yes yes I know that's not the spirit in which the

> post was intended etc etc)

You can always edit it, to get in the spirit.....;)

[Sephiroth]

Oh F*** that!

In related news, be assured that if UK did this before France it would be claimed as a Brexit benefit. But as it is sovereign countries gonna sovereign

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/31/thats-a-wrap-french-plastic-packaging-ban-for-fruit-and-veg-begins

[Seabag]

I?m sure Boris will hang around long enough to sort this little issue, so all that lovely fruit & veg can seamlessly enter the UK food chain.

Food supplies face further disruption from 1 January due to a "medieval" government IT system that is still not yet ready to process post-Brexit paperwork, The Independent has learned.

Companies importing food from the EU must comply with reams of additional red tape from Saturday but, with just hours to go, it was still not possible for some traders to submit vital details of their cargo because government software is plagued by technical bugs.

https://apple.news/A3oBQ7rePSnqoZOqFtuSikQ

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

TheCat Wrote:

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>, the general

> populace is slowly realising that this govt, under

> Johnson, is bereft of basically most positive

> qualities one would hope for in a government.

UK population: 68.4m

Registered voters: 47m

2019 turnout: 67.5%

Actual voters in 2019: 31.8m

Conservative voters in 2019: 14m

Johnson approval rating among Tory voters in 2019: 57%

Johnson approval rating among Tory voters in 2021: 47%

Not sure Brexit was a price worth paying to show a small member of Johnson supporters that he's useless tbh

[malumbu]

Perhaps a New Years resolution should be to move on from Brexit, accept that it was the will of the people (no matter how silly that may have been) and focus your energies on how you can improve things for society, campaigning, getting involved in local or national politics, volunteering and the like.

[diable rouge]

malumbu's gone all Vichy, would you like your tummy tickled while you're adopting the submission position?

I'm glad you can 'move on' from Brexit, many people can't, many have been directly affected by Brexit and continue to do so.

The best thing people can do to 'improve society' is 'focus energies on how you can improve things for society' by calling out Brexit for what it is, and work towards closer ties to the EU by ''campaigning, getting involved in local or national politics, volunteering and the like.'

There, fixed it for you...

[Sephiroth]

don't be harsh DR

there are a lot of local and national campaigns to get involved in - and if they don't go the way you want, just stick your fingers in the air and go "la la la" - that seems to be the advice

Seriously tho - this "pretend it's something OTHER" has infected English discourse form day 1 - be it tory/labour, leaver/remainer - too many English people think Brexit is in no way connected with normal life and really not worth troubling with. It' absolutely crackers

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

malumbu Wrote:

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> focus your energies on how you can improve

> things for society, campaigning, getting involved

> in local or national politics, volunteering and

> the like.

TBH mate moaning on the EDF doesn't take up a lot of my bandwidth (I literally wrote my last post on the bog) and you shouldn't assume I'm not already doing some of that stuff.

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> malumbu's gone all Vichy

You're comparing leaving the EU (a bad but democratic decision) to fronting a genocidal regime. You need to have a nice cup of tea and a sit down.

[diable rouge]

Dogkennelhillbilly Wrote:

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> diable rouge Wrote:

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> > malumbu's gone all Vichy

>

> You're comparing leaving the EU (a bad but

> democratic decision) to fronting a genocidal

> regime. You need to have a nice cup of tea and a

> sit down.

No, just the 'if you can't beat them, join them'' mentality of malumbu's post rather than what the Vichy regime actually stood for.

Good idea about a cuppa though...

[malumbu]

I'm not sure if I was getting back handed compliments or not. Well I'll take that anyway.

[malumbu]

And the rewilding begins, surely we can all agree that CAP was bloody awful

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-59886350

[TheCat]

From a super brexit website....

https://www.briefingsforbritain.co.uk/brexiteers-beware-david-frosts-departure-is-disastrous/

[JohnL]

Just as he tries to tackle the building safety crisis ...

Gove got stuck in a lift apparently.

[diable rouge]

Actual Sunlit Uplands...

In England's green and pleasant land...

*Waves Union Jack*

[Sephiroth]

That mp quite at the end. ?The French will have to help us. Causing queues in Calais as well?

Yes. Exactly as predicted and which the govt lies to us and said no it wouldn?t. What are the French going to do to ?help?? Abolish checks for third countries?

Uk voted to put up barriers and now there are barriers.

Christ alive the gall of these people.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/22/dover-blames-queues-on-spike-in-freight-traffic-not-brexit?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[Sephiroth]

Meanwhile we have other leavers accusing William wragg of being a bitter remainer despite him being a hard leaver

What is WRONG with these people ?