Deniers

[SpringTime]

If you're 100% immune you can still spread it via sheer contact alone.

At this very moment, no matter how well you feel, you are carrying both internally and externally, trillions upon trillions of different types of viruses - even if you're working on the International Space Station you have viruses. You are likely immune to many of them and working on proofing against the others. They're mutating at varying frequencies as they replicate so it's a constant battle on all fronts. If someone is near you then you will be inadvertently exchanging some viruses, when you eat and breathe some more are coming in, and out too. When you have a cut more come in, and some will even come out. When you vomit and defecate they come out, but some even come in. When you touch something you spread viruses and pick others up. You are literally living and breathing viruses.

As the situation is at present most will not harm you. (And that's not the virus-plan anyway - if they can use you as a host to replicate then that's good enough for them.)

If you have had a very typical virus - say that which causes chicken pox - and you know that since you were ill then perhaps shingles and cold-sores might be an unfortunate aftermath, you also know that you won't get chicken pox again. But that doesn't mean that it's fine to waltz among sufferers and then proceed to mingle with others without thinking - the others might not have had chicken pox. Your careless proximity could kill someone.

At my age I am lucky to have had Jab 1 Pfizer-Biontech and when I have had Jab 2 then I shall be pleased to tell people that I am likely low-risk to illness from Covid, from which I think I've already been ill. But unless Covid is 100% eradicated I will likely always be able to spread it, for the basics mentioned above.

There might be firm proof of a sturdy and well-established anti-body defence among some jab-dodgers but we will have to start thinking carefully about those who choose not to be vaccinated, or indeed those who simply cannot be vaccinated.

[Seabag]

I read about another drug in development that kills the transmission 100% in early trial, expected to go through final stages in Q4 this year

I also quite like this new 🪤 cheese trap emoji

[Spartacus]

Seabag Wrote:

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> I read about another drug in development that

> kills the transmission 100% in early trial,

> expected to go through final stages in Q4 this

> year

>

> I also quite like this new 🪤 cheese trap

> emoji

Can you post the link to the information on that drug ? Sounds an interesting development (unless of course it's trump bleach 😱)

FYI the new emoji possibly only works on the latest Apple and Android devices 😭

[Spartacus]

On today's BBC

BBC News - Coronavirus doctor's diary: Why are some of Bradford's elderly refusing the vaccine?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55952189

[diable rouge]

Seabag Wrote:

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> I also quite like this new 🪤 cheese trap

> emoji

Very cool, very Rem Koolhaas...

[Spartacus]

Interesting story today about potential rules around employing vaccinated staff, the minefield of current employees and how some countries in Europe are coping with vaccine rwfusers.

BBC News - Vaccine passports: Do I need one for going out, work and travel?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-55718553

[Seabag]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> > I also quite like this new 🪤 cheese

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> Very cool, very Rem Koolhaas...

Indeed, very Rem

I?m liking his current project due for Manchester DR (of which a COVID-19 denier must have walked past at least once or twice)

It is designed by the international practice Office for Metropolitan Architecture (OMA), founded by Rem Koolhaas and will be their first major, permanent cultural building in the UK. Ellen van Loon is the lead architect and OMA have designed a structure with uniquely flexible internal spaces, as well as the spaces outside, including two public squares by the River Irwell, intended to make The Factory a destination for people living and working in Manchester, as well as visitors to the city.

The Factory's internal spaces cover approximately 13,300 square meters, with adaptability designed to enable the commissioning of large scale and intimate work across different art forms, including dance, theatre, music, opera, visual arts, popular culture and digital work, plus major exhibitions and concerts. Work commissioned for The Factory will go on to be presented around the world, whilst Manchester International Festival will continue to take place every two years.

The Factory is anticipated to bring 1,500 full time jobs and add up to ?1.1 billion to Manchester's economy over a decade.[4] It will also offer a skills, training and engagement programme for people living across Greater Manchester.

Great project, by a Dutch Architect. I?m guessing all the English ones were busy when this gem for Manchester came up for grabs. Anyways, fu(? COVID-19.

[Spartacus]

Lol

There was a strong field of contenders to be the architect so it wasn't a case they were too busy, just didn't win the bid.

https://www.designboom.com/architecture/the-factory-manchester-shortlist-zaha-hadid-oma-rem-koolhaas-diller-scofidio-renfro-09-23-2015/

There is a denier question that I thought about this morning.

If a worker in a care home refuses to be vaccinated and subsequently gets Covid and people in their care catch it from the worker and die. Could the worker be charged with manslaughter for not taking appropriate precautions ?

It would be an interesting legal case I think

[diable rouge]

Seabag Wrote:

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> Great project, by a Dutch Architect.

Already delayed (Covid) and over budget (quelle surprise).

Still, looking forward to seeing it when it's completed, in the meantime here's some drone footage of progress and a visual walk-through, Manchester's mice are in for a treat...

 

[Blah Blah]

Surge testing taking place in Croydon and Addington from this morning after local outbreak of the South African variant.

[Seabag]

Are there still Covid deniers , if so are their numbers dwindling or rising?

[Spartacus]

Seabag Wrote:

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> Are there still Covid deniers , if so are their

> numbers dwindling or rising?

There are deniers (conspiracy theorists and such like) and vaccine refusers

Both groups are not mutually exclusive and they may well die out as time goes by.

[Blah Blah]

Those who are vaccine hesitant are expected to eventually take the vaccine, so there may be a small percentage of genuine anti-vaxers left. How much influence they can exert over others is the real question. I would guess it will be less and less as the vaccine rolls out and the economy opens up again.

[Jules-and-Boo]

Do vaccinations make us immune? Or just more resilient? And how about mutations or the virus, how often do we need updated jabs? How certain are we of long term effects?

[Blah Blah]

Too early to tell on the longer term effects of the vaccine. All that is known so far is that they appear to suppress infection.

[sallyw1]

Bit strange there has not been a single case of Flu this year.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/flu-cases-covid-england-phe-latest-b1805124.html

https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-2020-worldwide-corona-crisis-destroying-civil-society-engineered-economic-depression-global-coup-detat-and-the-great-reset/5730652

[Blah Blah]

Not strange at all. We have been in harder lockdown since the New Year. We also have an extensive annual vaccine program against flu (which was extended this year to the over fifties) and it has not has the opportunity to spread in the usual way. It is in fact, one of the upsides of the pandemic, but can also be seen as a moot point given that it has been replaced by something far more deadly to those most impacted.

[Spartacus]

What you are saying blah blah is perfectly correct

However, it does give us an opportunity to start to fight back against flu spreading in future years.

I have a feeling that hands, face and space or similar guidance will be here for a few winters to come. If that's the case then combined with the flu vaccine we could see flu going the same way as measles

If people around the world aren't catching it on mass then it possibly won't mutate and be less virulent till it virtually dies out.

One can but hope

[fishbiscuits]

Yes there was a huge extra push for flu jabs this winter, to try to reduce hospitalizations. Lockdowns, social distancing, masks, hygiene awareness have all helped too, I'm sure.

[Blah Blah]

I completely agree Spartacus. It is not just flu that has been suppressed by these measures, but also seasonal colds and chest infections. So there is a lesson in there for all of us I think.

[Spartacus]

Blah Blah Wrote:

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> I completely agree Spartacus. It is not just flu

> that has been suppressed by these measures, but

> also seasonal colds and chest infections. So there

> is a lesson in there for all of us I think.

Lol is the lesson "hermits don't get the lurgy" ?

But again a good point, we all need better hands and face hygiene going forward into winters to additionally suppress winter illnesses