mynamehere Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 2 March 2021 Financial Times: Net Zero starts with swapping your gas boiler for a heat pump. Houses have to go all electric. It has to be planned. And it isn?t ?cheap?.https://digital.olivesoftware.com/Olive/ODN/FTUK/Default.aspxHere's an energy regulation "sandbox" Want to play? The only people in the sandbox at the moment is a "peer-to-peer". East Dulwich could be a "peer-to-peer" as well. Can we meet our own electricity needs in large part?https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/publications-and-updates/regulatory-sandbox-repository?utm_medium=email&utm_source=dotMailer&utm_campaign=Daily-Alert_01-03-2021&utm_content=Regulatory+Sandbox+Repository+&dm_i=1QCB,79MBW,35NMB,TGQ2J,1All the ChurchesAll the schoolsAll the shops like Sainsbury'scovered with solarRadio 4 NET ZERO IN THE HOME The Bottom Linehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p097d3wxEverything is transparently explained No one is taking up the Green Home Scheme money. Money extended. FT 17 FebruaryAstroturf lawns and the problem of foxes pooing on the outdoor carpet. No one is adding ecological building blocks to their renovationsGreen grants: https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/home-grants/article/home-improvement-grants/green-homes-grant-aX6Py8n2pzQBNew Standards (2030 is 8 years away btw):What does the Green Homes Grant cover? You must install either insulation or low-carbon heating to qualify for the vouchers. These are called ?primary? measures under the scheme and include: Insulation: solid wall insulation, cavity wall insulation, under-floor insulation, loft insulation, flat roof insulation, room-in-roof insulation, park home insulation Air-source heat pump Ground-source heat pump Solar thermal water heating Biomass boilersRead more: https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/home-grants/article/home-improvement-grants/green-homes-grant-aX6Py8n2pzQB - Which?The latest Which? magazine profiles the expected completely electric house standard. The problem is renovating a 100 year old solid wall brick house. I've entirely renovated to the 2030 standard by dumb blind good luck from 2004 to now. If you'd like to talk and see what I've done to avoid the dumb and blind parts contact me by private message. We can talk outside with plenty of air wearing masks. https://www.jackwallington.com/17-reasons-to-avoid-fake-lawns-how-bad-is-artificial-grass-for-the-environment/ Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/274942-green-home-scheme-money-extended/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
DulwichFox Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Foxy Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/274942-green-home-scheme-money-extended/#findComment-1483273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 mynamehere Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> All my neighbours are putting in Astroturf lawns> > https://www.jackwallington.com/17-reasons-to-avoid> -fake-lawns-how-bad-is-artificial-grass-for-the-en> vironment/I bloody hate it too. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/274942-green-home-scheme-money-extended/#findComment-1483289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
intexasatthe moment Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Well yes ,aesthetically sometimes it looks ok .And I think if you have small children &/or dogs ,I can see the reasoning .But it still needs maintenance ,cleaning fox poo and pulling self seeded tiny plants ? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/274942-green-home-scheme-money-extended/#findComment-1483294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomskip Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 It's not nice but you can see the attraction if you have children who want to be outside in all weathers. Otherwise, I wish people wouldn't, and I wish they would replace the astroturf and re-plant their gardens when the children grow up. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/274942-green-home-scheme-money-extended/#findComment-1483308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynamehere Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 people seem to consider (like my neighbours) these facts trivial in 202117 reasons to avoid fake lawns ? how bad is artificial grass for the environment?1) Artificial turf uses huge volumes of plasticIf you stop to think about all of the materials in your home and garden, you?d be hard pressed to find anything that uses so much plastic. Single use plastic straws have been banned and replaced by paper in the UK and are a good comparison to the plastic lawn although it feels different because the fake lawn is multiple use. I ran a quick calculation that you can do yourself whereby if a person used say, one disposable plastic straw a day for a year, over the course of 15 years that would be 21,900 straws for a family of 4 at 12kg of plastic. Looking at one product, fake grass weighs around 1.42kg/metre. Our little urban garden is around 35 square metres so if we were to cover half in plastic grass, that would be 24.85kg of plastic, still there after 15 years and over four times the amount of plastic that would exist if the two of us used a plastic straw every single day for that time.2) Plastic grass can?t or won?t be recycledAstro turf is made from a variety of human made unnatural materials including polyethylene, polypropylene and nylon. These materials are built to last, potentially for centuries. While individually these components can theoretically be recycled, in reality this isn?t happening for fake lawns for the following reasons. First, the materials are often bound together making it impossible to separate them and therefore making it impossible to recycle, because recycling of the materials requires them to be separated and pure. Some products are made from just one material which means at least, theoretically they can be recycled. Secondly, they need to be clean to be recycled. After spending 5 ? 10 years outside on top of soil and surrounded by planting, with people running and walking across it, the amount of debris they collect (like a densely packed broom) makes the material very hard to prepare for recycling. You can?t recycle plastics with contaminants in like soil and grit, which is why we?re supposed to rinse plastic before putting in the recycling bin. Thirdly, this is a specialist form of recycling, local councils certainly aren?t set up to recycle them, they need to be sent away. At the time of writing, the number of specialist recycling plants is to my knowledge minimal if non-existent in the UK (please get in touch to correct me and I?ll update this) and that doesn?t even account for people organising to send it off. What will most people prefer, dumping it for free in the local tip or paying for it to be taken away and cleaned for recycling? Hopefully one day it can be recycled as we need the existing lawns to be recycled, but that doesn?t account for the remaining 14 points.3) Pieces of plastic grass will pollute soils for centuriesLike it or not pieces of plastic lawn break down and contaminate our soils for centuries regardless of being recycled. With the best will in the world, individual blades of fake grass tear off and blow into planting areas or bare soil nearby. Although plastic takes decades or centuries to deteriorate, it does still deteriorate releasing microplastics into soils which find their way into soil micro organisms. We?re only just starting to understand this is happening and the damage it is causing to the natural world. Eventually we may be able to recycle the bulk of a plastic lawn but it will be impossible to extract microplastics from soil and soil life.4) Astro turf has a big carbon foot print from manufacture, transport and installationThe processes involved in mixing, colouring and moulding all of the plastic releases carbon. In addition, further carbon is released from the energy used (i.e. from electricity production). Then you have to factor the carbon released from transporting these heavy rolls by lorry from the manufacturing plant to the customer, probably being first transported to a storage facility. Soil is a natural carbon store, especially with plants growing on it, slowly taking carbon from the atmosphere and putting it back into the plants and the ground (why people want to plant more trees ? which is a problematic view in itself but a whole other discussion!) By digging out a real lawn which has carbon locked in it and the top 15-30cm-ish of soil, not only do you remove a large area of planting that is actively locking carbon into the ground, but you?re releasing all of that locked carbon back into the atmosphere. The top layer of soil is removed to put down a base of hardcore and sand. Once the astro turf is in place, that?s it, that whole area stops locking carbon from the atmosphere.5) Fake lawns look awful after only a few yearsThis gives them a very short shelf life in comparison to other hardlandscaping products. Despite manufacturers claiming they last for 10 ? 20 years (which is still a short a life span for outdoor surfaces) in reality the pieces of plastic grass blades become worn down and squashed in the same way as carpets, although obviously the plastic is tougher for outdoor and rougher use.6) Astro turf kills soil life beneath itBy creating a dense plastic barrier on top of compacted soil and sand, no garden material can reach the soil beneath it. Things like leaf litter and grass clippings, which may be in tiny amounts in a normal garden after mowing and tidying but still exist. Natural materials like this are essential for feeding soil organisms like worms and microscopic animals that keep soil healthy. This is little different to impermeable hard landscaping like patios but a really important point if you?re considering replacing a live lawn with a fake lawn. Even if you remove all clippings and leaves from a real lawn, real grass grows and dies back and rejuvenates every year. Roots grow and die, some leaves die and these form natural material drawn into the soil to feed the soil life. I could go into great detail about why soil life is important because it?s the building blocks of our entire way of life, and another simple example is birds picking out bugs and worms for food. Some astro turf does still have worms beneath but this will likely be under a new laying or toward the edges where soil is richer from nearby planting.7) Plastic deprives people from contact with a natural surfaceThis may sound really silly if you?re thinking of installing plastic grass, escaping a natural surface is probably one of the reasons you want it in the first place. But I urge you to think again, I actually think this is one of the most important points on this list. Some of my favourite childhood memories are sitting on a soft lawn, hands on the grass, plucking a blade of grass to whistle with, or a daisy or dandelion flower, or a plantain leaf. That sense of touch and the smell of mown grass is such an important part of my life experience and remains so today. Swapping this natural element of a garden can make sense for stopping mud or saving time, but it deprives people of something much bigger and much more valuable ? one of the main contacts with nature, so important in urban areas. I feel sad at the thought of children growing up with fake lawns and everything they will miss in those early years as a result. Even getting a bit muddy or seeing a spider, all of these things are little life experiences that make us who we are.8) Fake lawns have no wildlife benefit whatsoeverEven a perfectly kept lawn with no weeds has a base layer of wildlife value because it?s a good home to millions of soil dwelling critters, most so microscopic we can?t see them. Worms, grubs and grass eating caterpillars, slugs and snails all feed birds too. I?m guessing you may be thinking ?urgh I don?t want those on my lawn!? but you won?t see most of these most of the time ? though I would encourage you to try and see the benefit and beauty of these little lives. Forgetting the need for that perfect lawn, a lawn with daisies and other weeds go up in wildlife value ten-fold. The Plantlife charity found a lawn kept to around 10cm or thereabouts has even more weedy wildflowers and supports thousands more bees, hoverflies and other pollinators.9) Looks ? plastic lawns never sit naturally in any environmentThis is the point that I guess is subjective and most people who think fake grass looks neat don?t like but astro turf never looks like anything but astro turf. One of the reasons for having it often cited is that it?s used where real grass won?t grow, such as in full shade but that?s one of the reasons it doesn?t look right. It?s obvious it?s not supposed to be growing there. As astro turf improves its look, products that look increasingly like real grass come to the market that look more convincing but when laid still look like unnatural blocks of plastic grass. It?s the imperceptible things like blowing in the wind, the way it looks in rain, the smell, small imperfect patches or insects and birds ? these little things all add up in our mind to point out this thing isn?t real due to their absence.10) Plastic lawns can overheat in summer making them unusablePlastic lawns retain heat from the sun more than a natural lawn, in some instances this can make them so hot that you can?t walk on them.11) Fake lawns need cleaning and maintainingAs an unnatural surface that doesn?t recycle germs, dirt and other debris as a natural lawn would, you need to clean it. This includes brushing, washing and quite often, hoovering!12) Some fake lawns can give friction burnsNot all to be fair, but one touch of fake grass will tell you that you or your children won?t want to skid across it with bare knees.13) There are many alternatives for soft surfacesIn a number of designs for family gardens I?ve created we use a thick layer of bark chip in play areas and a real lawn for running around etc. There isn?t any need for a fake lawn, which is actually far harder a surface than natural bark chip. You don?t want children falling off a swing on fake grass.14) There are alternatives to fake lawns for flat surfaces for wheel chairs or people with poor balanceI can understand why people would want a fake lawn in this situation but again I personally would want to find a solution that doesn?t harm the environment and gives everyone the equal opportunity to experience a natural lawn or natural garden. A real lawn can be firm and flat if it?s maintained well and perfectly accessible to people in wheelchairs or people less sure on their feet. Around a real lawn, paths and patios can be laid for further access during wet weather or in winter. In fact, in accessible gardens I?ve designed we simply haven?t bothered with large lawns, instead having a good easily manageable flat lawn and then offering plenty of paths through larger plantings to touch and sit within.15) Lawns can grow in shaded plotsObviously we have to be realistic because with too much shade, lawns really aren?t possible but there are shade tolerant grasses that can be used. Quite often when people say to me that their garden is too shaded, I actually just see before me poor maintenance. If it really were too shaded, I would just design in something else, not persevere with a fake lawn.16) Maintenance of a real lawn is cheaperI actually feel lawns as a concept are overrated in general and I don?t understand why people insist on having them when often they don?t use them. But if you do use the lawn, and there are good examples such as for children, sunbathing, sports and picnics, all it takes is getting the lawn care regime right. This is fairly scientific but really comes down to knowing when to mow it properly, to keep an eye out for problems like compaction and to reseed and repair patches. If this sounds like too much hard work, hire a professional lawn care gardener. For the cost of a fake lawn you could hire someone for well over five years, longer than it will take for a fake lawn to look worn out and grubby. Robot lawn mowers are also a thing of wonder, they do work well and although fairly expensive, are still a tenth of the cost of having astro turf installed.17) Fake lawns can cause surface run off contributing to floodingNatural lawns or planting allow water to drain into the soil surface easily, helping to lock deluges of rain in the ground. Whereas solid surfaces cause run off which leads to flooding usually by overloading drains and sewers with too much water all at once. Occasionally they contribute to direct flooding too, especially in paved front gardens. Although water can drain through fake lawns (at least if laid well it should!) this can be slower and less effective than real grass due to the ground below needing compaction to make it solid and flat. In the worst cases you do get run off. Obviously this is going to be better than impermeable patios but it?s not an either or game, we need to be aware of these issues and choose other options that don?t cause run off (and other damage to the environment listed Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/274942-green-home-scheme-money-extended/#findComment-1483325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Thank you for a brilliant post, mynamehere ❤️ Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/274942-green-home-scheme-money-extended/#findComment-1483463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynamehere Posted January 19, 2021 Author Share Posted January 19, 2021 I like all your posts Sue. Tiny Forests. A group tried to nudge Southwark into making cemeteries into these years ago. in 2020 the concept swept the world (if anyone was listening :)https://earthwatch.org.uk/component/k2/tiny-foresthttps://ideas.ted.com/how-to-grow-your-own-tiny-forest/https://www.ivn.nl/tiny-forest/tiny-forest-worldwidehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p094c7jm Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/274942-green-home-scheme-money-extended/#findComment-1483478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malumbu Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 fake grass is divorce material in my world. The kids played on muddy gardens and were made to enjoy it. Ah many the Saturday football training in a swamp on the Rye.Of course all weather pitches are a good thing, but plastic grass in your garden? And the Dulwich Woodhouse.... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/274942-green-home-scheme-money-extended/#findComment-1483482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Thanks for the Tiny Forests links, mynamehere :) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/274942-green-home-scheme-money-extended/#findComment-1483645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 malumbu Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> > Of course all weather pitches are a good thing,> but plastic grass in your garden? And the Dulwich> Woodhouse....OMG has the Woodhouse got fake grass?Not that I've ever liked its "garden" much ..... but I never noticed it had fake grass :( Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/274942-green-home-scheme-money-extended/#findComment-1483646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianr Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 At least give Jack Wallington some credit, even if you're not going to respect his copyright.https://www.jackwallington.com/17-reasons-to-avoid-fake-lawns-how-bad-is-artificial-grass-for-the-environment/PS I've just seen you have, in the first post. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/274942-green-home-scheme-money-extended/#findComment-1483713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabag Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Sue Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> malumbu Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > > > Of course all weather pitches are a good thing,> > but plastic grass in your garden? And the> Dulwich> > Woodhouse....> > > OMG has the Woodhouse got fake grass?> > Not that I've ever liked its "garden" much .....> but I never noticed it had fake grass :(Fake grass for fake people.Horrible stuff! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/274942-green-home-scheme-money-extended/#findComment-1484108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Hybrid grass (mixed real and fake) and is a thing now on football pitches. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/274942-green-home-scheme-money-extended/#findComment-1484161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 JohnL Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Hybrid grass (mixed real and fake) and is a thing> now on football pitches.But how on earth do they mow it without damaging the fake bits?And what is the point? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/274942-green-home-scheme-money-extended/#findComment-1484317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malumbu Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 It's pretty revolutionary stuff and helps maintain the pitches for the whole season - go back even twenty years ago and they would be mud baths by now. It's well less than half of the grass. Astroturf has also come on leaps and bounds (4g) to the pitches I played on in my early days when you would get plastic burns and the ball would bounce, and bounce and bounce (any QPR fans out there). But these are for professional use.Fake grass in the garden just looks wrong for so many reasons and I get amusement as many gardens around here are on slopes so it gathers at places. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/274942-green-home-scheme-money-extended/#findComment-1484485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malumbu Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 To add paving your garden or using pebbles is no better for wildlife, and for paving drainage. Glad I gave up on the idea of off road parking many years ago Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/274942-green-home-scheme-money-extended/#findComment-1484567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 malumbu Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> To add paving your garden or using pebbles is no> better for wildlife, and for paving drainage. > Glad I gave up on the idea of off road parking> many years agoWhilst I agree, like many others I have a tiny garden which is on three levels (buried air raid shelter, I understand) and to have grass would be a real pain, not least because I have nowhere to store a mower.So I've kept the paving which was here when I moved in thirty years ago, albeit I've removed a lot of it over the years to extend the borders.But my walls are covered with climbers which are good for wildlife 🙂 and there are plenty of ground cover plants, plus things growing in the cracks between the paving 🙂 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/274942-green-home-scheme-money-extended/#findComment-1484638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynamehere Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share Posted February 17, 2021 Green Home scheme money extended FYI Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/274942-green-home-scheme-money-extended/#findComment-1490773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malumbu Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Any views on thin unit double glazing - you can use existing wooden box sash or casement windows and it looks like the original glazing, particularly important in listed houses and conservation areas? https://histoglass.co.uk/thin-double-glazing/ Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/274942-green-home-scheme-money-extended/#findComment-1490908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynamehere Posted February 18, 2021 Author Share Posted February 18, 2021 I can only ?google? this. https://www.timbawood.co.uk/news/double-glazing-listed-buildings-london/#post/0 As I?m sure you have. Dulwich Village? When I turn solar panels on my front roof in 2006 a planning officer was sent to my door to tell me they were ugly and I kid you not queen victoria wouldn?t have liked them. There?s always a solution x Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/274942-green-home-scheme-money-extended/#findComment-1491059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynamehere Posted February 20, 2021 Author Share Posted February 20, 2021 Radio 4 Saturday the 20thThe Bottom LineCompletely explains net zero in your homehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p097d3wx Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/274942-green-home-scheme-money-extended/#findComment-1491766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cozza01 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 The best thing we have discovered this year is that we can run our air source heat pump in reverse in the summer so it?s very cheap house cooling too! No more sweltering nights just run it in reverse! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/274942-green-home-scheme-money-extended/#findComment-1491790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynamehere Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 Yes we do as well Cozza01 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/274942-green-home-scheme-money-extended/#findComment-1491849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynamehere Posted March 2, 2021 Author Share Posted March 2, 2021 FT page 3 2nd Marchhttps://digital.olivesoftware.com/Olive/ODN/FTUK/Default.aspxWhat net zero means in your house Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/274942-green-home-scheme-money-extended/#findComment-1494055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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