Covid vaccination

[siousxiesue]

Out of interest, did everyone get a follow up date when vaccinated? I haven't yet, but some have

[Sue]

siousxiesue Wrote:

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> Out of interest, did everyone get a follow up date

> when vaccinated? I haven't yet, but some have

Yes, for mid-April

[Hassie]

- Out of interest, did everyone get a follow up date when vaccinated? I haven't yet, but some have

I was told that I would receive a text in about 11 weeks inviting me to book number 2.

[colville09]

We had jab at Tessa Jowell and were automatically given second jab date in April.

[Pugwash]

Same here - once had jab at TJC were asked to go immediately to the receptionist to book 2nd jab in April.

[ctovey]

We made appts via 119 and were given both appts at the same time

[Penguin68]

In some ways it's quite reassuring that there's such a mixed economy here - with different procedures and many being offered vaccines from different groups of vaccinators - if one route fails, however temporarily, there's always another. And presumably over time the most effective routines will become clear. Booking a 2nd vaccination at the time of the first, or both together, look good to me, at the moment, but maybe each will be as effective as the other. What will be interesting is recovery procedures if for any reason you can't make your second booked slot.

But at the moment the combination of hospitals, the NHS centrally, and GP surgeries to offer vaccines seems effective. Fingers crossed this perception continues to be valid.

[Dr De Soto]

Hassie Wrote:

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> I was told that I would receive a text in about 11

> weeks inviting me to book number 2.

Same for me. I think if your GP is not based at the TJC then it's your GP that will text you later with the follow-up appointment. If it's for a Pfizer vaccine then I'm guessing there may only be a couple of days notice (as happened with the first vaccine).

[sian]

I was also told that I would get a text in 11 weeks time

[sian]

Does anyone know please if Forest Hill Road Practice has started to text over 60s for their vaccine yet?

[EastdulwichNewbie]

Also offered a vaccine at Guys for no obvious reason. I called the GP and was told they are offering where these is an excess supply. It?s difficult to verify whether this is the case. Would hate to deprive someone but would hate to waste a shot now when it?s been made available!

[OatLatte]

**Correction** 18:50 23/2 Astra Zeneca not yet available in USA.(reason no deaths listed for this Brand)

The AstraZeneca vaccine seems to be safer, the 906 deaths that occurred within 48 hours after vaccine in the USA have been mainly from Phizer and Moderna that use mRNA, AstraZeneca does not use this.

https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?EVENTS=on&PAGENO=12&PERPAGE=10&ESORT=NONE&REVERSESORT=&VAX=(COVID19)&VAXTYPES=(COVID-19)&L_THREAT=No&DIED=Yes

[ianr]

OatLatte, you don't provide figures for the number of persons given each of the different vaccines, so how have you determined the relative rates of death reported as associated with each? Do you have any idea what proportion they are overall of the number of vaccinations that have been given?

Note too, from the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) https://vaers.hhs.gov/ Fact Sheet:

'An "adverse event" is any health problem or "side effect" that happens after a vaccination. VAERS cannot determine if a vaccine caused an adverse event, but can determine if further investigation is needed.'

and

"VAERS accepts reports of adverse events and reactions that occur following vaccination. Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to the system. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind." https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

[another annie]

Re: Sian's query above - I received a text from Forest Hill Road Practice on 6th Feb saying they were anticipating vaccinating the over 65s 'in the coming weeks', and told to reply YES if I wanted the covid vaccination. I texted back YES but haven't heard anything more from them yet.

[OatLatte]

ianr Wrote:

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> OatLatte, you don't provide figures for the number

> of persons given each of the different vaccines,

> so how have you determined the relative rates of

> death reported as associated with each? Do you

> have any idea what proportion they are overall of

> the number of vaccinations that have been given?

>

Ianr, i had just done a quick scan of https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?EVENTS=on&PAGENO=12&PERPAGE=10&ESORT=NONE&REVERSESORT=&VAX=(COVID19)&VAXTYPES=(COVID-19)&L_THREAT=No&DIED=Yes

the 906 Vaccine deaths and did not see any AstraZeneca listed, when i tried to look now i realise that it is not listed at all and when i did some more checking it is because its not yet available in the USA, will only be from April. So my mistake it could have a similar death rate.

[Guest]

I searched the search engine of the VAERS database yesterday, WONDER (Wide Ranging Online Data for Epidemiologic Research).

This is the official tool offered by the US Centers for Disease control and prevention. Unfortunately I am afraid we in the UK as well as in other EU Countries do not have such type of public data collections available, correct me if I am wrong.

I find impressive the fact that the VAERS (that stands for Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) as of 22 Feb reported 7555 cases of adverse reactions to the Covid-19 vaccine(s). The most serious reactions recorded:

- death: 792 cases

- permanent disability: 551 cases

- hospitalisation: 315 cases

- A&E emergency visits: 1730 cases

- Office visits: 1494 cases

If we dive deeper into the single events recorded in the VAERS database (as extracted from MedAlerts, the website linked by Ianr and Oatlatte here) we may discover that all the people who had adverse reactions may have had some sort of "underlying pre-existing condition" and should have been clearly told, in my opinion, that the vaccines trigger reactions people with compromised immune systems or other chronic diseases may not be able to cope with (for an infinite variety of reasons).

None of the vaccines commercialised at this stage have been tested on people with compromised immune systems, cardiovascular diseases and other "pre-existing conditions" (but, if I have understood right, in very minimal and not statistically relevant proportion).

The fact that these vaccines have been approved by emergency because of the pandemic and because of the overarching need to reduce the number of deaths and prevent the collapse of the health systems, avoiding hospitalisation of severe cases, does not mean the vaccines are safe and effective for everybody: people should be invited to understand more about their health and make their decisions about having or not having the vaccine based on risk assessment of their conditions.

Anyhow, more data are needed by everybody to understand what is at stake.

[Growlybear]

I'm with Forest Hill Road. I'm in the over 60s group but also have health conditions which make me vulnerable (but not clinically extremely vulnerable). I haven't heard from the surgery yet, but have been checking the central booking website each day. Until today, I got a message from the website each time when I entered my details to say that I wasn't eligible yet, but this morning I was given a list of venues and dates, and have booked my appointment for Thursday.

sian Wrote:

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> Does anyone know please if Forest Hill Road

> Practice has started to text over 60s for their

> vaccine yet?

[sian]

Thanks for the info AnotherAnnie - Forest Hill really not impressing

[sian]

Thanks very much for the info Growlybear. I won?t give up hope then. Have household member due to go back to school so I?d hoped that one jab could be done by then. I?d given up trying the central website but will keep trying.

[Penguin68]

I find impressive the fact that the VAERS (that stands for Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) as of 22 Feb reported 7555 cases of adverse reactions to the Covid-19 vaccine(s). The most serious reactions recorded:

- death: 792 cases

- permanent disability: 551 cases

- hospitalisation: 315 cases

- A&E emergency visits: 1730 cases

- Office visits: 1494 cases

Please do not get confused by these figures - they are about correlation, not causation. All incidents are reported when vaccines are given (and very properly) - for the cohorts mainly being vaccinated now (other than health operatives) most are elderly and/ or have underlying health conditions - so death, illness and hospitalisation would be a typical path for very many (given the huge numbers being vaccinated in the US and here), vaccinated or not. The 551 'permanent disability' cases being reported are just rubbish - the vaccines has only started to be given anywhere in December, it is now the end of January so just how 'permanent' does this have to be after 3 months? Had there been any suggestion or thought that the vaccines were actually causing this amount of mayhem (but people do have adverse reactions to vaccines) they would have been withdrawn. Inevitably a number of those vaccinated will have had active Covid already (but not yet visible).

The reporting process is that all medical incidents following vaccination are recorded and reported - in case a pattern of adverse effects arise (I think the same is true when new medicines are released as well, or old ones used to treat new diseases). Had such a pattern been visible the vaccine programme would be halted (as the trials of some vaccines were following such incidents, until cause could be bottomed out). This hasn't happened (roll-out was halted in Norway I think when there were a cluster of incidents, but then re-started) - and recipients of the Pfizer vaccine are held for 15 minutes after the vaccine in case there is a reaction, when some were noted early on.

But the VAERS figures are not adverse reactions to the Covid vaccine (necessarily), but adverse events following the Covid vaccines being administered. We know that there are reactions to the vaccines (painful arms, mild flu symptoms) and many of these may have led to A&E attendance or visits to GPs - as may, of course, many conditions associated with age and underlying conditions. But (even given the very large numbers being vaccinated in the US) 792 deaths actually (and determinedly) being caused by the vaccine would have rung huge official alarm bells, which they haven't.

Had the authorities suspected that any of the vaccines in use were actually dangerous they would now be acting to stop their use (although they may be increasing lists of people for whom the vaccines aren't advised, because of existing conditions).

Do not let these figures put you off from being vaccinated.

[Administrator]

OatLatte has been banned from this section for pushing information in such a way that it bends the truth to mislead.

And they're one of multiples identities which is typical troll behaviour.

When I remove their messages it may cock-up the flow of the thread, apologies.

This section is for useful information, not speculative anti-vax nonsense.

[Peckhampam]

Thank you Admin. I don't often get involved with these debates but it has really made me angry seeing some of the mis-truths people seem to want to believe and peddle around. I am not clear as to what they get out of it.

[Aussieuk]

I was really impressed with the service provided by DMC, relating to my vaccine. I received the vaccine (Pfizer) at the Tessa Jowell Centre on 13 February, just prior to my age-group (65-69) being opened up. I was contacted by text message by DMC on 09 February to see if I wanted the vaccine, then by phone on 11 February to arrange an appointment, which took place two days later. The arrangements in place at the TJ centre were also phenomenal, and I was left in awe of the NHS, centre staff and volunteers who worked with precision clockwork to vaccine the large group of people who were there at the same time. I received an appointment for the second does as a part of the process.

[sian]

That?s really great to hear