Constitutional Club to New Nursery

[ed_pete]

Looks like someone is wanting to convert the old Constitutional Club on EDG into another nursery. Looks to be unconnected with the existing one next door. Much larger I would guess - plans show capacity for over 150 children (babies and toddlers).

Seems like there are two related applications: 20/AP/3460 and 20/AP/3461

Planning decision hasn't been made yet - comments so far seem generally against.

https://planning.southwark.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?previousCaseType=Property&keyVal=QKD0P6KBJOO00&previousCaseNumber=PP11WQ00DT02J&previousCaseUprn=200003443806&activeTab=summary&previousKeyVal=PP11WQ00DT02K

https://planning.southwark.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?previousCaseType=Application&keyVal=QKD0PMKBJOP00&previousCaseNumber=20%2FAP%2F3460&activeTab=summary&previousKeyVal=QKD0P6KBJOO00

[tomskip]

Oh dear, imagine the traffic and parking.

[Nigello]

Oh dear - imagine the new job opportunities, the new money being pumped into people's pockets, the new taxes raised, the new chances for parents who need nursery services. It is TERRIBLE! (Parents can walk and cycle - there, I've fixed the problem!)

[mrwb]

Guess the other thread got deleted as Partisan?

What other ideas do people have for the constitutional club? Residential?

[Abe_froeman]

A Social club?

[ed_pete]

IMO it was always likely to be residential or a business. The company behind the planning permission is NewCore who have other properties in London leased to nurseries in their portfolio. https://www.newcorecapital.com/

Re: traffic I very much doubt with it being so large that all the potential users will be walking or cycling. Also wonder where the staff will come from, let's face it early years education probably doesn't pay enough to live in ED these days.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Abe_froeman Wrote:

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> A Social club?

Great idea

[Abe_froeman]

Maybe a cycling themed one for all the people cycling down the LTN,,,

[Jules-and-Boo]

Sold for nearly ?4m.

Arguments against:

Their unbelievable no car policy

Saturated catchment area (already 44 nurseries)

Building is a heritage centre donated for community use

Accessibility issues for nearly 400 people (staff, kids, parents) each morning/afternoon

Impact on other nurseries

CPZ and closure of roads

Etc

Are there really that many local babies?

[ed_pete]

Jules-and-Boo Wrote:

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> Are there really that many local babies?

I wonder if they are anticipating demand from the 200+ flats and houses going in on the site of the Hamlet football club.

[Lynne]

I know what, they could turn it into a postal sorting office

[hellosailor]

Lynne Wrote:

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> I know what, they could turn it into a postal

> sorting office

🤣

[EDguy89]

Jules-and-Boo Wrote:

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> Are there really that many local babies?

Yes.

[Jules-and-Boo]

Given the hassle the new Charter school had about access and traffic, I?m surprised this has been given little attention

[tomskip]

Many parents will not cycle or walk to drop off and collect their children, so an already severely congested road will become even more so. 150 children is a very large nursery.

[Nigello]

Many parents will not cycle or walk to drop off and collect their children, so an already severely congested road will become even more so. 150 children is a very large nursery.

Well, if people will have children, what can you expect?

I am all for new businesses, especially ones that are conducive to building/improving a sense of community. If you live in Nappy Valley you're going to need all the things that come after the nappy stage, and this is one of them.

[mrwb]

Best idea so far I think.

We'll also need a new police station as economic problems bite over the next couple of years.

Lynne Wrote:

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> I know what, they could turn it into a postal

> sorting office

[heartblock]

Great ...more traffic on EDG! Every one deserves clean air. Even those of us not living in a LTN.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Lynne Wrote:

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> I know what, they could turn it into a postal

> sorting office

Another good idea

[ianr]

How many road parking spaces for its vans did the Silvester Road delivery office need?

[heartblock]

Maybe have it as a EDG residents association base and build a nice big nursery on Townley Road?

[Sue]

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> How many road parking spaces for its vans did the

> Silvester Road delivery office need?

They had a small carpark round the back, didn't they?

But surely from Silvester Road they wouldn't need vans to get to most places in East Dulwich?

[KidKruger]

That had a hardstanding for several vehicles, also large steel concertina access doors so RM vans and lorries could back-in to load up.

Sue Wrote:

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> ianr Wrote:

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> > How many road parking spaces for its vans did

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> > Silvester Road delivery office need?

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> They had a small carpark round the back, didn't

> they?

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> But surely from Silvester Road they wouldn't need

> vans to get to most places in East Dulwich?

[Abe_froeman]

You can see from this old street view that they just used to park up in the road.

https://goo.gl/maps/gcyAGfRHJ7Zkaea86

[Metallic]

What an abysmal idea which will ruin the lovely nursery next door. This one is posh and expensive apparently. There is already so much traffic and queues in the area and this will add to the rush hour problems as parents arrive for drop off and collection.

Hope all those NIMBY people in the roads closed off opposite will enjoy a constant stream of quick parking then u-turning drivers who will use your gorgeous quiet roads.

Serves you right if you don't like it. Your road systems have created the queues and pollution we and all the schoolchildren have to endure, time to re-open all the side roads currently closed off, and look at the possibilities properly.