Northcross Road market

[millie7uk]

Was annoyed and angry to see for the second week running North Cross Road market absolutley packed with people without masks and not social distancing at all, I know they serve food but that does not make it a free for all, there are riles for a reason, or maybe this does not apply to East Dulwich market, certainly looks that way, how about considering the people who actually live near this market, we know money has to be made but lives have to be saved as well, where were the market stewards, are Southwark Council happy to turn a blind eye as long as the rent is paid, shops have to abide by the rules and they pay a fortune to trade, people at this market were not just buying food and moving on, they were hanging around and having a maskless, non social distancing jollyup. Selfish.

[absolutelizard]

If you dont like it, or are concerned about your safety, then good god- just dont go to it. And find something else to be outraged about on the internet.

There were plenty of fluorescent tabarded councils officials wandering around on Saturday keeping a close eye on things- presumably they were happy as it continued until the normal time, i believe.

I was maskless, as it isnt against the law or any rules to not wear a mask at an outside market.

Did you growl at people who got too close to you in M&S too? Perhaps you should make friends with online shopping.

[Growlybear]

I haven?t been to the market for ages but decided I would go on Saturday. I was really shocked by the huge crowds, the lack of any attempt at social distancing, and also how few people were wearing masks, and didn?t risk squeezing my way through the crowds. It?s no wonder London is being moved to tier 3 when people are behaving like this and flouting the guidelines .

[Nigello]

I saw it and walked down a side street to get to LL. There were lots of 20-40 year olds packed between the two columns of stalls. I think the stalls need to be double spaced at the very least. Lots of self-deception and sense of ?it can?t happen to me and my type of person?.

[Enileoj]

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[2mushrooms]

Think this is pretty disrespectful to the traders who are doing their best in a real difficult time - asking people to politely step back, wearing masks, having sanitiser on offer and bringing in cashless payment to help stop the spread.

[malumbu]

I went. It is busy. Just be sensible and keep your distance. In the spread of Covid it isn't outdoor markets to blame - those mixing in doors and schools I expect. Can't blame the poor students as they are locked in on campus and have mostly been tested.

Om a political point it is all sections of society that are to blame. You can turn your nose up at Thanet, but even posh boroughs like Bromley are on the rise.

[katesonic]

Malumba

Do you own Foxton's...

K.

[rachp]

Hi dontbesilly, how lovely to see you and your anti-mask views are back!

[prit]

"I don't care about others, as it isn't against the law or any rules." = Lowest Common Denominator. Back to nursery/cave/under the bridge you go.

[millie7uk]

I dont growl at people either in or out of any shops, even M&S, and as for "just dont do it" I wasent doing it, I was concerned about safety and, I will decide who and or what to be angry about, your obviously one are of those who puts themselves before others, of course you were maskless and it may not be against the law but responsibility plays a part as well, perhaps you should make friends with that.

[KidKruger]

I was very impressed with the pie van/stall at the East (inner) end of the market.

Distanced queue, policed by the stall holder.

Hand sanitizer and masks.

Even telling customers to not stand in front of the stall eating their pies after purchase, but to move on and keep the pitch clear and safe for queuing customers.

The stall holder seemed to be perpetually (and politely) ensuring these steps were being adhered to.

But overall, yeah, the market the last 2 weeks has been a classic example of how to spread a virus during a pandemic.

[KidKruger]

No need to waste your time on a poster who?s set-up an account on EDF just to demonstrate their feelings of inadequacy by provoking people with rude posts !

millie7uk Wrote:

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> I dont growl at people either in or out of any

> shops, even M&S, and as for "just dont do it" I

> wasent doing it, I was concerned about safety and,

> I will decide who and or what to be angry about,

> your obviously one are of those who puts

> themselves before others, of course you were

> maskless and it may not be against the law but

> responsibility plays a part as well, perhaps you

> should make friends with that.

[vmdgg]

There is an easy solution to this vexing problem... if you are not comfortable in crowds, then do not go into the crowded Saturday market. Problem solved.

[KidKruger]

Yeah but the problem isn?t vexing is it ?

The problem is 66,000 dead, many 1000?s maimed, no cure, while people ignore safety advice.

Much of which entirely avoidable by following really really simple guidance.

Let?s say somehow we know how many people got infected in the market on Saturday, how many people they will go on to infect and so on down the chain of infection, how many will be injured or die as a result, the grief that will cause and families it will destroy - your advice is don?t vex over it ?

[Otto2]

I agree KidKruger - would be good to have a sense of community - a care for our fellow humans. A personal choice has an impact on everyone in a pandemic.

[vmdgg]

Government guidance allows street markets such as North Cross Road to operate, and there is no UK guidance that says to wear a face mask outdoors. It seems to me that the people I see at the market are indeed "following really really simple guidance".

Street markets are a very safe way for people to socialise, shop and get a bite to eat without the worries of poor ventilation and close physical contact indoors. If you do not think the market is a safe place for whatever reason, my advice to you is to not go to the market.

[Nigello]

I don't think the stall holders are "doing their best". There are always ways of improving and if they were in fact doing all they could they'd organise themselves better (without a council or government edict) so as to improve the experience and make it safer (not safe, as that isn't achievable).

I won't go there and think people who do go and end up hugger-mugger without any masks are doing themselves and wider society a disservice.

[Growlybear]

Whilst it?s not mandatory to wear a mask outdoors at the moment, people are still expected to maintain a 2m distance outside and if this isn?t possible, to take other steps such as wearing a mask.

vmdgg Wrote:

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> Government guidance allows street markets such as

> North Cross Road to operate, and there is no UK

> guidance that says to wear a face mask outdoors.

> It seems to me that the people I see at the market

> are indeed "following really really simple

> guidance".

>

> Street markets are a very safe way for people to

> socialise, shop and get a bite to eat without the

> worries of poor ventilation and close physical

> contact indoors. If you do not think the market is

> a safe place for whatever reason, my advice to you

> is to not go to the market.

[jimlad48]

I 100% agree.

Its also worth noting, for all the concern on COVID deaths (many of which involved very elderly people, who had pre-existing known health conditions), over 800,000 people have lost their jobs since this started.

I'm vastly more worried about how we get can those 820,000 (and rising) people back to work, than I am about a bug that on most people will have a mild impact.

vmdgg Wrote:

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> Government guidance allows street markets such as

> North Cross Road to operate, and there is no UK

> guidance that says to wear a face mask outdoors.

> It seems to me that the people I see at the market

> are indeed "following really really simple

> guidance".

>

> Street markets are a very safe way for people to

> socialise, shop and get a bite to eat without the

> worries of poor ventilation and close physical

> contact indoors. If you do not think the market is

> a safe place for whatever reason, my advice to you

> is to not go to the market.

[Sue]

jimlad48 Wrote:

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> I 100% agree.

>

> Its also worth noting, for all the concern on

> COVID deaths (many of which involved very elderly

> people, who had pre-existing known health

> conditions), over 800,000 people have lost their

> jobs since this started.

>

> I'm vastly more worried about how we get can those

> 820,000 (and rising) people back to work, than I

> am about a bug that on most people will have a

> mild impact.

As noted elsewhere, those people on whom the virus has a "mild impact" can spread it to others on whom it may have a very severe impact, and who may die.

As can people who are asymptomatic and have no idea they are spreading the virus.

And let's not forget that many very badly affected Long Covid sufferers are of all ages including children, and many of those had no pre-existing conditions.

Environments such as a very crowded Street market where (if I understand it correctly) most stallholders are not making any effort to encourage social distancing are probably one of the reasons why we are now in Tier Three.

[vmdgg]

jimlad48 Wrote:

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> I 100% agree.

>

> Its also worth noting, for all the concern on

> COVID deaths (many of which involved very elderly

> people, who had pre-existing known health

> conditions), over 800,000 people have lost their

> jobs since this started.

Exactly.

I suspect those that have the time to spend fretting over how far apart strangers are standing while ordering a sandwich are fortunate enough to have a secure job with indefinite WFH, which can fund an endless stream of Amazon prime & Ocado deliveries.

I'll bet anybody with a job in the hospitality or travel industry will have a slightly different interpretation of abstract covid risks vs. the very real and present risk of unemployment and the many consequences of financial distress.

[Ronnijade]

This is ridiculous. I work in a pub that has taken every step and beyond in an effort to keep customers as safe as viably possible, and yet I?m still once again out of a job. I?m in financial distress to the point that I?m severely depressed, so seeing the market so packed full of people without masks and whatnot is infuriating, somewhat along the lines of why the Hell are they able to operate like that but we aren?t despite having every measure possible in place to prevent the spread of the virus? It?s not the market sellers faults but more the governments as it is totally unfair that one is allowed to operate under such ridiculous conditions but we are not.

[Nigello]

Ronni, it IS partly the fault of the market traders. They could have organised themselves and spaced themselves out, not waiting for some council official to ask/tell them to do so. They all know that physical distancing is important so why not work for the benefit of themselves and their customers - and those people who are obliged to walk that way to get home, etc? They are hurting, I know, financially but they are not covering themselves with glory by operating more or less as they did pre-pandemic. People would be better off making rational decisions, such as "let's space out the stalls more" than waiting for instruction. Best of luck

[JohnL]

vmdgg Wrote:

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> Government guidance allows street markets such as

> North Cross Road to operate, and there is no UK

> guidance that says to wear a face mask outdoors.

> It seems to me that the people I see at the market

> are indeed "following really really simple

> guidance".

>

> Street markets are a very safe way for people to

> socialise, shop and get a bite to eat without the

> worries of poor ventilation and close physical

> contact indoors. If you do not think the market is

> a safe place for whatever reason, my advice to you

> is to not go to the market.

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