CPZ controlled parking in Denman/Talfourd/Lyndhurst/Bushey Hill/Crofton/Shenley

[zelda100]

Hello all - the Council has proposed a controlled parking zone in Denman/Talfourd/Lyndhurst Grove/Bushey Hill/Crofton/Shenley/Gairloch/Linnell/Oswyth Roads.

Most people I've spoken to around here are against it - mainly because say there isn't a problem and if there is, it's at night, which the restrictions wouldn't help with. So I'd like to

I've heard that East Dulwich successfully fought a similar CPZ proposal a while ago - does anyone know the detail or have any tips about how to fight this crazy proposal?

Many thanks!

[Gidget]

There is a poster on here - gsirett, Giles, who seemed to do most of the coordinating for this. Perhaps contact him?

[toffeese15]

Hi there, I live in the affected area and have spoken to a number of people about this. Not one is in favour of it and most were strongly opposed.

I was going to post something about this today as I'd dug out a couple of links that could be useful, but might as well continue with this thread.

The local councillor for this ward is Rowenna Davies - [email protected]

Local residents can fill in the questionnaire online - http://tinyurl.com/d57tyoe

Someone has set up an online petition against the proposed CPZ - http://tinyurl.com/c6rywuh

[RinkyDink]

zelda100 Wrote:

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> Most people I've spoken to around here are against

> it - mainly because say there isn't a problem and

> if there is, it's at night, which the restrictions

> wouldn't help with.

I'd really like to know which road you live on?!

We're on the borders with the current Lucas Gardens CPZ (Gairloch / Linnell / Shenley) and our lives have been made hell by this Lucas Gardens CPZ. There IS a problem here - hence why residents have lobbied the council for a consultation (this isn't some council initiative - but one driven by residents). I'm at home with a small child and there is no way I can use my car during the day, unless I want to park way down Lyndhurst Grove / Talfourd / Bushey (which is where I'm guessing you live). And visitors, tradesmen etc? Forget it - they can't get anywhere near us. Try feeling as trapped as I do at the moment.

I suggest you walk around our streets during the hours of 9.30am - 5.30pm - and you will see cars parked bumper to bumper, including dangerously at junctions. And I also suggest you take a look at the windscreens of these vehicles - as a LOT of them display resident parking permits for zones far out - suggesting (as the Council's own research has shown) that a HUGE percentage of the cars are coming from out of the area.

So we are ALL FOR a CPZ - and I think you will find a lot of other residents are too. Beggars belief that you can think there isn't a problem.

[Gidget]

Sounds like Southwark set up the Lucas Gdns parking zone with the knowledge that this would happen and then they could roll out more CPZs. Did no one object to the Lucas Gardens CPZ? Do you really want to have to pay and provide a permit for any visitor or tradesperson coming to your house?

[RinkyDink]

Southwark Council did not consult with any of the neighbouring roads before the Lucas Gardens CPZ was introduced (and objections that were forwarded to the council were rejected). Hence why we are hacked off with the impact that it has had on our day-to-day lives.

To be honest - yes - I have no problem paying for a visitor, tradesperson to park. And anyway - it is being proposed that the CPZ parking zone will be for a two hour slot (e.g. 12-2pm).

Basically the roads on the Lucas Gardens CPZ border are affected by commuters going to work at Kings College Hospital, Camberwell Arts College, Sunshine House, and the new employment agency on Peckham Road.

The objectors appear to be coming from the other end of the proposed zone. They honestly have NO IDEA what it is like for us.

[toffeese15]

RinkyDink, I have a some sympathy with your situation, but the general thrust of your argument appears to comprise: if you have to suffer then so must everyone else. Continue your fight with the council rather than with fellow residents. Also, spare us the melodramatic talk of NIMBYISM - why else are you campaigning for this if it's not to improve your own situation?

Incidentally, yes, I am down the other end - Lyndhurst Grove if you must know.

[Droler]

I live on Crofton Road and the situation during the day is now terrible. Before it wasn't too bad but since the double yellows were put in it took away all the spare capacity. Shenley is now impossible to park on at virtually any time. In the morning the last few spaces disappear with people whose cars I don't recognise and they stay all day. This makes venturing out in your car during the day a lottery as to how far away you have to park on your return. I feel we going to have to accept a Cpz at some point soon, as much so I'm not keen to pay! Bins are now appearing to 'reserve' spaces leading to tensions between neighbours. There is increased traffic on the roads as people drive around looking for spaces and this morning I saw someone park and unload a bike and cycle off! We are a park and ride area now!

[northlondoner]

No thanks. Parking is pretty tight here on Talfourd but I'd rather have the inconvenience of occasionally having to park some distance away than an accursed cpz - with its expense, red tape and enduring inconvenience for visiting friends and tradespeople. It's more equitable to remove the weird and pointless red and yellow lines distributed randomly around the area.

They tried to introduce a cpz in East Dulwich a couple of years back - but the move was thankfully defeated by locals.

Don't want that sort of nonsense here!

[Droler]

You're well insulated there by other roads from the problem. It was like that here before the yellows. You don't need a total cpz just a restricted time like 12-2pm as other areas do. Me and a few others round here would happily pay a tenner a month to park nearby my own front door. A friend on Shenley had to park on Grove Park the other day!

[jimlad48]

We live on Shenley and were hugely in favour of the CPZ - It is getting insane now, there is no parking during the day, and when we're getting deliveries or works done, it is impossible to get any parking space for workmen due to the number of cars on the road. As a resident, it is so depressing to know that you cannot park on your own street - its definitely gotten worse in the last year or so.

What hugely frustrates me is seeing people turn up every morning, parking then walking to the bus stop and treating the road as effectively a car park for their commute, and denying residents a chance to park just so they have less distance to go on the bus. Its getting really bad when we're seeing multiple residents now 'pegging out' their spots with bins, and I'm seeing a lot of people argue about it.

Shen;ley Road desperately needs to be in a CPZ - is there anyway we can write to the council to get them to reconsider this problem? All it needs is a simple one which applies from 1200-1400 like some of the zones near Denmark Hill station have - just enough to ensure that the day commuters cant park and deny residents parking, but still allow workmen or visitors to park easily for a short visit.

On a vaguely related note, part of the problem also stems from lots of builders using the road to dump skips and vans on the road. The worst offender is the monstrosity of a construction project at the end of the road by the shops which has been going on for months with no tangible progress and which doesnt seem to have planning permission!

[Huggers]

we fought it off in Nutbrook and surrounding areas. They tried to get it through with their summer hols questionnaires when everyone is away. I experienced CPZ in Westminster and it meant I could never park near my house but paid for the privilege.

[jimlad48]

Surely the problem for those of us on these three streets is that we cannot park now, and to implement a cpz would make a massive difference. My own experience of lewisham is that if sensibly sized, a cpz makes a very major difference to quality of life. Right now the situation in shenley is at breaking point and getting worse. A cpz is the only solution.

[spider69]

jimlad48 Wrote:

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> Surely the problem for those of us on these three

> streets is that we cannot park now, and to

> implement a cpz would make a massive difference.

> My own experience of lewisham is that if sensibly

> sized, a cpz makes a very major difference to

> quality of life. Right now the situation in

> shenley is at breaking point and getting worse. A

> cpz is the only solution.

Why can residents not get free parking within a CPZ if they pay Council Tax and get the CPZ badge

I know the answer perhaps Southwtark might like to adopt another non rip off scheme

[Mustard]

jimlad48 Wrote:

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> Surely the problem for those of us on these three

> streets is that we cannot park now, and to

> implement a cpz would make a massive difference.

> My own experience of lewisham is that if sensibly

> sized, a cpz makes a very major difference to

> quality of life. Right now the situation in

> shenley is at breaking point and getting worse. A

> cpz is the only solution.

In your post above you said you were in favour of the CPZ?

[jimlad48]

Absolutely? I am hugely in favour of a cpz?

[Mustard]

jimlad48 Wrote:

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> Absolutely? I am hugely in favour of a cpz?

but then you complained about it.

[jimlad48]

I think you are misreading or misinterpreting what i've said. I am 100% emphatically in davour of a cpz, i think it would be a major boost and also having had very positive experiences in lewisham i an happy to see it in shenley where situaion without one is utterly intolerable. Hope that is clear enough for you?

[StraferJack]

In house conversions, who gets the space outside for parking?

[KalamityKel]

In many streets there is more housing/greater number of drivers per house than there are parking spaces.

CPZ does NOT guarantee you'll get yourself a parking space and only pushes the strain to other neighbouring streets which are already experiencing the same problem.

The only positive, I've noticed with residents in other areas where CPZ is in place, is a self satisfaction that none residents to the street can't park which to me seems quite petty.

No one has the "right" to be able to park in their own street, much the same as there is no "right" to park directly outside ones own property - something missed by many in the area.

Once CPZ is instated it's bloomin' difficult to get it removed if it's proven to cause more problems.

The whole "be careful what you wish for" is quite an understatement

[jimlad48]

The issue in our area (Crofton, Shenley and other roads) is that we're now suffering exactly what Kalamity has described. Because we're the last non CPZ set of streets in the local area, all the non residential traffic is being parked on these roads, massively increasing pressure. Its not been helped by the councils placing double yellows on all the intersection roads between these streets which has reduced parking by about 50 places either (a cynic would suggest this was intentional to force demand for a CPZ).

As such the road is overrun by people parking to catch a bus - there are no other real reasons to be there as both Camberwell and Peckham have local parking. Its essentially become a commuter parking street - you can watch people every morning park their cars and walk to the local bus stops or station and do the same in the evening. When you add this to the huge level of cars abandoned on the street for weeks by non residents (we had two enormous 4x4s dumped by non local builders for 3 weeks while they were on summer holidays dumped directly outside), and you realise that its an issue.

The problem isn't a 'right' to park, its the fact that because of the Southwark councils actions elsewhere, it is making it impossible for residents to park their cars within a 3-400m radius of their house during the day because there is no other parking available to go to, and because it is getting non residents using it as a rat run. This may sound academic, but all these streets have a combination of a lot of young families, and a fair numbetr of more elderly residents and its really difficult for them to be able to go out in the day without not knowing where they can leave car on their return, with all the issues this has.

I strongly think adding a CPZ which is in force from 12-2pm would solve this problem immediately - it stops the daytime commuters from parking, and it still frees it up for people to nip in and visit when they need to without getting a ticket. Its not like there is anywhere else for the traffic to go - we're the last non CPZ parking streets in the area. Its not about being able to park outside your house, its about being able to park somewhere on a street that is 400m long!

[jimlad48]

Sorry to bump this up, but it sounds like the council are claiming to have not received any representations on this issue, despite many people contacting them. May I strongly suggest to anyone who wants to see a CPZ in Shenley (or beyond) to email Southwark Council and make a public representation. It do not with numbers that we can hope to secure parking spaces for ourselves and not the commuters / builders / skips that plague Shenley Road at the moment

[mancity68]

I'm on Denman and firmly oppose a CPZ but... Skips!!! I couldn't help but agree with you on this. And I'd be grateful for any views. The people across the road from me are having major conversion work done and so far have had a noisy skip lorry swapping a full skip for an empty one every single day for over a week at 7am or before. Bearing in mind building works can't start until 8am how come this level of disruption is allowed?

Rant and post hijacking over.

[jimlad48]

God knows - we're finding on shenley that there are some slips that have blocked 2-3 spaces gor over a year npw but nothing seems to be done.

You could always wrote opposing a cpz for Denman, but please let us have one in Sheey - its so nad now that if i go put in the day, i cannot secure a space anywhere in a 400m long road!

[Pocket]

As a resident of one of the affected streets I've contacted Southwark's Public Realm Projects, Parking Design department to request a reconsultation. And I urge anyone else who feels it's time for some fairness to do the same.

It's now been two years and the situation has gone beyond breaking point - and it's only going to get significantly worse with the proposed massive Camberwell Art College development on Peckham Road. Currently we have commuters arriving as early as 7am to get a space - the street is horribly congested, traffic has increased seemingly tenfold, and it is absolutely impossible for any tradesperson to visit - let alone ourselves park - within a 5 minute walking radius during the day. We have the same commuters arriving day in and day out - who, we believe, work at Kings, the employment office on Peckham Road, or who use Denmark Hill station.

What is required is not a new CPZ zone but an extension of the Lucas Gardens CPZ to cover Shenley Rd and the parallel roads that adjoin Vestry Rd (it really does not warrant an extension to Talfourd or Denman - and residents here are incredibly vocal about how they don't have a problem - so these streets should remain as is, and allow us residents on streets that are affected to be fairly heard and have a CPZ).

As one of the posters on here has stated it's not about being able to park outside your own home (all but a pipe dream) - but to have the opportunity to park and lead one's daily life at least within a decent walking vicinity. It's also about reducing the traffic, noise, pollution and making our street a pleasant place. At the moment we only have the weekends where we can do, or have, any of that.