Cassius Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 I've read a lot on the forum from people who have lived in ED for a long time, saying how much it has changed from a rather run down Saarf London suburb (I hope that is a correct reading of life here about 25 years ago), and yet even in those days (and before) it housed some of the best private schools such as Alleyns and JAGS.How did the juxtaposition of 'posh' schools and 'rough' area work? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2683-question-for-long-term-ed-residents/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
macroban Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 LCC scholarships. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2683-question-for-long-term-ed-residents/#findComment-81152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KalamityKel Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 There were many wars, lots of blood shed etc... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2683-question-for-long-term-ed-residents/#findComment-81163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
karter Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Posh people obviously likes it rough. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2683-question-for-long-term-ed-residents/#findComment-81164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KalamityKel Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Southwark closed William Penn... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2683-question-for-long-term-ed-residents/#findComment-81166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassius Posted February 20, 2008 Author Share Posted February 20, 2008 KalamityKel Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> There were many wars, lots of blood shed etc...Obviously you would remember it well........ otherwise why comment! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2683-question-for-long-term-ed-residents/#findComment-81170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KalamityKel Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 I certainly do remember it well!I remember attending Orchestral courses during the holidays where I was forced to mix with the "posh" lot. For some reason they seemed to think they were better than everyone else... have standards been lowered these days? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2683-question-for-long-term-ed-residents/#findComment-81171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelbourneGr Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 The 'posh' schools are situated near Dulwich Village. The 'posh lot' usually came from far and wide. The locals from Herne Hill went to William Penn. I've always remembered DV to be a nice area. I don't remember ED being all that rough, just a bit cheap with Binnister toys, Gateways and 7-11. You could say ED was 'poorer' than it is now. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2683-question-for-long-term-ed-residents/#findComment-81180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo1964 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 I lived here from the mid 60s to 1990 and recently moved back. I don't exactly remember being being rundown (any more than anywhere else was in the 1970s). I think under Thatcher the parks suffered badly and it's nice to see them looking nice again. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2683-question-for-long-term-ed-residents/#findComment-81192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookworm Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 It may have been less affluent but it wasn't a "rough area". There was always a nice community atmosphere because families had lived in ED for years. Now, I would say there are more young people who have moved into the area. There are certainly more commuters now but the trains were not as frequent when BR were in charge. I used to get the bus or a train from Denmark Hill to work when I first started working in central London. Nowadays it is more trendy. I don't think places like Caffe Nero or White Stuff (or the 80s equivalent) would have been interested in the area back then. The pubs were not really for young people either. I remember bar billiards at the back of the Lord Palmerston and The Magdala seemed to lack windows so always seemed dark and dingy. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2683-question-for-long-term-ed-residents/#findComment-81207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 So a working class area = rough does it?...... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2683-question-for-long-term-ed-residents/#findComment-81208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassius Posted February 20, 2008 Author Share Posted February 20, 2008 ???? Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> So a working class area = rough does it?......Well I certainly remember quite a lot of trouble at the East Dulwich Tavern in its pre EDT days - the old Uplands was hardly pleasant, nor was the Palmerston. What I was trying to get at was why is there such a prevalence of private schools (and well known ones at that) in this area - there aren't the equivalent in Forest Hill, Brixton, Streatham etc etc and I found it interesting. I think that MelborneGr has given me the best idea. It was not a veiled attack on old ED. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2683-question-for-long-term-ed-residents/#findComment-81219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
snorky Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Why ?the Dulwich estate, thats why. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2683-question-for-long-term-ed-residents/#findComment-81222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassius Posted February 20, 2008 Author Share Posted February 20, 2008 snorky Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Why ?> > > the Dulwich estate, thats why.Can you expand please? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2683-question-for-long-term-ed-residents/#findComment-81225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
snorky Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 teh Dulwich estate Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2683-question-for-long-term-ed-residents/#findComment-81228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
macroban Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 > I think that MelborneGr has given me the best idea. ????William Penn was a Secondary Modern school for boys. When it opened its technical training facilities were amongst the best in South East London.The LCC paid for scholarships for East Dulwich boys and girls to go to the 'posh' schools.50 years ago where you went to school depended less upon the wealth of your family. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2683-question-for-long-term-ed-residents/#findComment-81236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassius Posted February 20, 2008 Author Share Posted February 20, 2008 MelborneGr pointed out that they were in the area closer to the Village - that seemed to make sense. The Dulwich Estate also makes sense. I was asking because I was interested - I don't have children and so I don't know much about or have much interest in schools, but walking down Townley Road it occurred to me just HOW many private schools there are in the area and was interested. I've lived in Maida Vale, Kensington High Street and Chiswick all of which could be said to be 'posher' than ED without the cluster of private schools. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2683-question-for-long-term-ed-residents/#findComment-81242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
macroban Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 > MelborneGr pointed out that they were in the area closer to the Village - that seemed to make sense.All are within the old Camberwell Bourough Council boundary. Access to education worked very differently in pre-ILEA (Inner London Education Authority) days. East Dulwich children ~were~ funded by the LCC (London County Council) to attend the "posh" Dulwich schools. Dulwich College now quaintly refers to this period as "The Dulwich Experiment". Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2683-question-for-long-term-ed-residents/#findComment-81248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassius Posted February 20, 2008 Author Share Posted February 20, 2008 macroban Wrote:------------------------------------------------------- Dulwich College now quaintly refers to this period as "The Dulwich> Experiment".Fascinating . I must try and get that book on local history to read more about such stuff. It would be interesting to know if any forumites were part of this 'experiment' and what impact it's had on them. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2683-question-for-long-term-ed-residents/#findComment-81254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 They may not have been your cup of tea but the Palmerston and East dulwich Tavern were both generally fine in my experience, crikey, try drinking in Camberwell in the 1980s Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2683-question-for-long-term-ed-residents/#findComment-81255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassius Posted February 20, 2008 Author Share Posted February 20, 2008 ???? Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------crikey, try> drinking in Camberwell in the 1980sSadly or not that was a pleasure that I missed out on........ Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2683-question-for-long-term-ed-residents/#findComment-81256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo1964 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 The Grove House Tavern was great in the 80s Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2683-question-for-long-term-ed-residents/#findComment-81257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
macroban Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 The Dulwich Experiment. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2683-question-for-long-term-ed-residents/#findComment-81261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Indeed - many a saturday night spent in their (the Grove) waiting for the nod for that night's M25 location....ACIEEEEEEED Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2683-question-for-long-term-ed-residents/#findComment-81262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassius Posted February 20, 2008 Author Share Posted February 20, 2008 Thanks macroban.I knew Eton was originally founded for the poor.... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2683-question-for-long-term-ed-residents/#findComment-81264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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