Some useful info related to Southwark, traffic, LTNs etc

[legalalien]

This month?s update of the Forward Plan has now been published, a number of new upcoming decisions listed including a decision on participation in a 12 month pan-London scooter trial

https://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/mgIssueHistoryHome.aspx?IId=50026086&PlanId=669

Also one on ?Formalising Council constitutional and decision making processes to incorporate the Climate Emergency priority and the recognition of wider health and socio-economic inequalities in Southwark?

https://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/mgIssueHistoryHome.aspx?IId=50026163&PlanId=669

Those decisions due in June.

Also a decision due in July on a Climate Change Action Plan, which is listed as a major decision with a value of ?500k plus (so a cabinet decision).

Looks as though the closure of undersubscribed schools in the north of the borough is starting, as there?s a decision notice about the closure of St

John?s Walworth listed for July.

Decision on extension of CPZ in North East Peckham due in August

https://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/mgIssueHistoryHome.aspx?IId=50026103&PlanId=669

[Rockets]

Burbage Wrote:

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> Rockets Wrote:

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> -----

> > But 22,500 drivers have not missed a two 20mph

> > signs in a 6 week period. You have to admit

> that

> > those numbers suggest that something isn't

> > working.

>

> The RAC's Report on Motoring 2020, contains this:

>

> "On roads with a 20mph limit, compliance is also

> improving with nearly four in 10 (39%) admitting

> to speeding, down

> from 44% last year"

>

> and

>

> "Meanwhile, 11% of limit-breakers have driven

> above 40mph in a 30mph zone while 10% have

> exceeded 30mph in a 20mph zone. In the case of the

> latter, 45% of those who speed at least

> occasionally say this is because they believe the

> limit is ?inappropriate? for the area or stretch

> of road in question."

>

> I think that tells us exactly what's not working.

Burbage - you seem to be missing the point.....I don't think there is a 20 mph speed camera anywhere in the country that has issued 22,500 fines in such a short period of time. No one is suggesting that speeding is not a problem - we are suggesting that the bus gates are inappropriately and inadequately signposted which is resulting in many people getting fines (not because of the wilful ignoring of said signs but because they have no idea there are any restrictions in place.

[mrwb]

22,424 fines, amazing. Anyone know how many for Townley road? Must be several thousand as well I think.

Such council shenanigans will only ever stop if they don't have the financial incentive. Much easier to issue fines than raise council tax. That needs to come from central government via changing the law.

All these restrictions seem quite obviously aimed at generating money, due to shortfalls from Covid. Little or nothing to do with traffic management.

Lambeth are just as bad, some of the parts of streatham are now like a maze where if you make a wrong turn it's ?65 fine coming your way. Very hard to actually find your way out without getting a ticket if you're new to the area.

[mfcjoe]

These restrictions are not about keeping pollution away from kids, they are all about one thing and one thing only, ??????????

[ed_pete]

Witnessed my first emergency vehicle blocked by the LTN yesterday. Police car with lights flashing heading from LL towards DV. Made to turn into Elsie, then changed mind and turned down Derwent. Had to 3 point turn at the bottom and exit back on to EDG. Wisely didn?t try Melbourne. Headed off towards DV.

[northernmonkey]

How is it that Waze has updated for these closures, yet LAS (where you'd think that accurate mapping was more critical than popping to the shops) hasn't managed to update 8 months on? What kind of system did LAS sign up for - the procurement team need sacking!

[exdulwicher]

How is it that Waze has updated for these closures, yet LAS (where you'd think that accurate mapping was more critical than popping to the shops) hasn't managed to update 8 months on? What kind of system did LAS sign up for - the procurement team need sacking!

Come on, NHS plus IT?! Ambulance satnavs are inbuilt and generally get updated once per year when the ambulance has it's full service. They can't download stuff online / via 4G.

Quite a few paramedics use their own phones as a backup. The thing with LAS is that they're routinely operating "out of area", a crew may go from (say) Kings College Hospital to an incident reasonably locally but then the casualty needs to go to a specialist centre elsewhere. Or they might be en route back from a call and get retasked so they're not going from a fixed point to a local incident.

LFB is the opposite, they go from a fixed point to an incident (usually local unless it's major and requires engines from all over) and then they return to "their" base for restocking the engine.

Waze and Google also have community feedback options, you can click on a map and tell them that the road is closed, there's been an accident or whatever. One of the removed LTNs in Wandsworth, the residents simply kept reporting incidents/road closure on Waze!

, unlike LFB who get called out from a fixed station to an incident (generally locally unless it's major and needs engines from all over)

[Abe_froeman]

"One of the removed LTNs in Wandsworth, the residents simply kept reporting incidents/road closure on Waze!"

So they are still attempting to needlessly delay and divert emergency vehicles? And dump their traffic onto other peoples' roads.

That just shows you the callous selfishness at the heart of these measures. These people don't care who dies as long as they can keep their roads to themselves

[legalalien]

Minor Traffic Scheme Batch 1 for 2021/22 out for decision by Cllr Rose:

https://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/mgIssueHistoryHome.aspx?IId=50025701

Lots of small things affecting various streets so worth a look. Pay by phone parking bays around ED LTN, parking restrictions outside northern parade of shops in Dulwich Village, various double yellow lines /

disabled bays, and I think some sort

of cycle wands/ armadillos on Park Hall Road near the Croxted intersection.

[legalalien]

Better Streets for Southwark / Mums for Lungs have an online event on 26 May with a particular focus on campaigning for School Streets (one area where actually a lot of people from both sides of the Dulwich LTN debate seem

to agree in large part).

Info at https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/better-streets-talks-mums-for-lungs-tickets-148956766699

[legalalien]

Newsletter through the post. First three pages attached.

[legalalien]

Next pages. Came in a blank / ? to the resident? envelope and thought it was real estate agent ?do you want to sell your house? type junk Mail - almost binned it without opening!

[legalalien]

So reading through the document it suggests you need the unique reference number from the bottom of the envelope that the newsletter came in. I?ve just fished the envelope out of the recycling bin to take a pic!

Ps I guess that might imply one response per household, unless it?s like a census and one person responds on behalf of the household, listing household members. Who knows?

[alice]

So who?s getting these? All those who registered? All those in the enhanced area? Both? Or something else?

[legalalien]

No idea. Mine was addressed to ?The Resident?, with my specific street address.

[legalalien]

Here?s a link to the online survey thing

https://www.southwark.gov.uk/transport-and-roads/improving-our-streets/live-projects/dulwich-review

And the engagement plan

https://www.southwark.gov.uk/assets/attach/39884/Dulwich-Review-Summary-Engagement-Plan.pdf

It says all those who registered online to be notified will be informed, FWIW I registered online but haven?t yet received any notification by email.

ETA have attached the map of the trial schemes. Not sure why the planters in ED are ?permeable? while the CA/CL closure is a ?junction closure? - is there a plan to get rid of the bikes in Dulwich Square? Also the large purple circles are a bit confusing.

[intexasatthe moment]

legalalien - thank you for your posts ,they are very helpful.

I've looked at the Newsletter via your links but I've not spotted the need for any unique ref nos -what is this required for ?

"So reading through the document it suggests you need the unique reference number from the bottom of the envelope that the newsletter came in."

[Rockets]

I think the unique ref numbers were part of the initial plan when the council were hoping to be able to focus the review on those living within the LTN area only. A lot of people saw through that plan, and remember it was Cllr Williams who referenced the unique ref numbers in emails.

It is clear there is still an element of this approach indicated by the blue shading area which I can only presume is the official "review area" and I suspect the residents there will be given a heavier weighting, this eliminating the voices of those living on the displacement routes.

The council engagement plan references those on the boundary roads (but nothing beyond) so I suspect they will not be taking the views of those living east of Lordship Lane as strongly as those within the LTN area. This is why they have not distributed/failed to distribute the leaflets beyond the blue shading area.

It's clear what they are doing here, the engagement plan is very open ended and we probably won't find out until they present the results of the review bit it does look as if it is now a case of collect as much data as possible to find a way to positively present the results.

Legal - does it indicate anywhere on the envelope that it is from the council?

[legalalien]

The ref to the unique ref number is on the attached page. It doesn?t say you can?t comment without one, but I assume it must be used for something. Will have a look at envelope when I get home later.

[Applespider]

Rockets Wrote:

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> The council engagement plan references those on

> the boundary roads (but nothing beyond) so I

> suspect they will not be taking the views of those

> living east of Lordship Lane as strongly as those

> within the LTN area.

Suspect you are correct even though still impacted by the amount of traffic. I live near the Horniman and getting on a bus to go along Lordship Lane is now taking a ridiculous amount of time. I walked home from Northcross Road on Friday lunchtime and arrived at the same time at a 176 with only a 5 minute head start; I'd started walking while I waited for a bus only. On the plus side, it did increase my step count for the day but that's not always the point.

[legalalien]

Envelope update - there is nothing on the outside of the envelope to indicate it's from Southwark or anyone else, and just says to "The Resident" (with specific address). Postage paid, 1st class. As mentioned I thought it was one of those estate agent "do you want to sell your house" things.

[Lowlander]

exdulwicher Wrote:

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> How is it that Waze has updated for these

> closures, yet LAS (where you'd think that accurate

> mapping was more critical than popping to the

> shops) hasn't managed to update 8 months on? What

> kind of system did LAS sign up for - the

> procurement team need sacking!

>

> Come on, NHS plus IT?! Ambulance satnavs are

> inbuilt and generally get updated once per year

> when the ambulance has it's full service. They

> can't download stuff online / via 4G.

>

> Quite a few paramedics use their own phones as a

> backup. The thing with LAS is that they're

> routinely operating "out of area", a crew may go

> from (say) Kings College Hospital to an incident

> reasonably locally but then the casualty needs to

> go to a specialist centre elsewhere. Or they might

> be en route back from a call and get retasked so

> they're not going from a fixed point to a local

> incident.

>

> LFB is the opposite, they go from a fixed point to

> an incident (usually local unless it's major and

> requires engines from all over) and then they

> return to "their" base for restocking the engine.

>

> Waze and Google also have community feedback

> options, you can click on a map and tell them that

> the road is closed, there's been an accident or

> whatever. One of the removed LTNs in Wandsworth,

> the residents simply kept reporting incidents/road

> closure on Waze!

>

> , unlike LFB who get called out from a fixed

> station to an incident (generally locally unless

> it's major and needs engines from all over)

1. Ambulances serviced once a year!?

2. Paramedics use their own phones as satnav?

Baloney. Fight your war with facts man, for goodness sake.

[heartblock]

I?ve registered. So far nothing through my door or e-mailed to me...still I live on East Dulwich Grove, so probably won?t get one. As long as Henrietta 5, Tamsin 3 and Creola 7 in Court get them though...that should be fine. I do expect we will be seeing many hand drawn pictures from inside the LTNs with sad faces and phrases such as ?please don?t take my play square away? etc. Ooooooh it tugs at one?s heart strings, even for an evil, petrol headed, boundary roader like me......I should just breath in the fumes every morning and think myself lucky to be allowed to live near 5 LTNs.

[Rockets]

legalalien Wrote:

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> Envelope update - there is nothing on the outside

> of the envelope to indicate it's from Southwark or

> anyone else, and just says to "The Resident" (with

> specific address). Postage paid, 1st class. As

> mentioned I thought it was one of those estate

> agent "do you want to sell your house" things.

My they really seem to be going out of their way to bury this review and try to ensure people miss it. Ironic isn't it that they send out all other comms from the council with their logo plastered all over it.....perhaps this was another one of those council LTN oversights....

It will be very interesting to see how widely this leaflet is distributed....they mess up the first one royally....ahem, perhaps that has always been the plan!

[KidKruger]

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