London Overground line extension timetable

[craigyboy71]

The timetable is now available for the new Clapham Junction to Highbury & Islington via Surrey Quays extension (I picked one up from Peckham Rye station yesterday). Trains are every 15 minutes, but depending on the time of day it can take between 20 to 30 minutes to travel to Clapham Junction from Peckham Rye. I'm not sure why this is as it's still the same number of stops! Anyway it'll still help with my commute to work!

[antantant]

30 mins to go 5 miles?! Yikes.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Here's a link to the timetable:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/highbury-and-islington-west-croydon-clapham-junction-december-2012.pdf

[craigyboy71]

antantant Wrote:

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> 30 mins to go 5 miles?! Yikes.

Actually 20 to 25 minutes having taken a second look. Still longer than I expected as currently takes me the same going on 2 trains via Battersea Park to CJ.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Quicker to cycle

[edcam]

Thanks for the link rahrahrah!

[craigyboy71]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> Quicker to cycle

I would if I didn't have to go all the way to Chiswick :o(

[Bic Basher]

The long journey between Wandsworth Road and Clapham Junction is more likely padding put in by London Overground, so that they can meet their on-time targets if for some reason the train is held at a red light while crossing over the lines into CJ.

Still, we won't know for sure how'll it pan out until it starts next month. I'm also hoping that like the other extensions to West Croydon and Crystal Palace opened in 2010 that they'll offer free rides all day, this was done by giving free zone 1-6 travelcards on launch day by the gateline assistant at each station.

[benmorg]

craigyboy71 Wrote:

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> but depending on the time of day it can take

> between 20 to 30 minutes to travel to Clapham

> Junction from Peckham Rye.

Wow. Glad I don't have to use Denmark Hill station to get into central London - it would be quicker commuting into town from Croydon.

[Loz]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> Quicker to cycle

But less chance of an accident.

[chauveau]

So is this up and running now then?

[edcam]

benmorg Wrote:

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> craigyboy71 Wrote:

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> > but depending on the time of day it can take

> > between 20 to 30 minutes to travel to Clapham

> > Junction from Peckham Rye.

>

> Wow. Glad I don't have to use Denmark Hill station

> to get into central London - it would be quicker

> commuting into town from Croydon.

You wouldn't use the ELL via Clapham Jct to get into Central London. You'd go overground to Victoria or London Bridge.

[edcam]

chauveau Wrote:

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> So is this up and running now then?

9th December.

[Bic Basher]

edcam Wrote:

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> You wouldn't use the ELL via Clapham Jct to get

> into Central London. You'd go overground to

> Victoria or London Bridge.

You won't be able to use the 'overground' a.k.a. Southeastern to go to Victoria during evenings and Sunday's to reach Victoria once the Southern SLL closes. Clapham Junction will be the only way via rail to get to Victoria using NR services.

The final train from Clapham Junction to DH and PR will be 2344 Monday to Saturday, 2314 Sundays.

[edcam]

Bic Basher Wrote:

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> edcam Wrote:

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> > You wouldn't use the ELL via Clapham Jct to get

> > into Central London. You'd go overground to

> > Victoria or London Bridge.

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> You won't be able to use the 'overground' a.k.a.

> Southeastern to go to Victoria during evenings and

> Sunday's to reach Victoria once the Southern SLL

> closes. Clapham Junction will be the only way via

> rail to get to Victoria using NR services.

>

> The final train from Clapham Junction to DH and PR

> will be 2344 Monday to Saturday, 2314 Sundays.

True, but London Bridge then Charing Cross is just as quick if you want to get to centre of town (more pleasant too). Or you'll be able to go ELL to Canada Water then Jubilee line. All much of a muchness.

[stephen509]

They may as well just extend the Victoria line. Would actually have good links in central london rather than this tosh.

[Bic Basher]

edcam Wrote:

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> True, but London Bridge then Charing Cross is just

> as quick if you want to get to centre of town

> (more pleasant too). Or you'll be able to go ELL

> to Canada Water then Jubilee line. All much of a

> muchness.

Absolutely, although the Jubilee line option won't be available to season ticket holders to London Terminals and from DH will require a change at PR for London Bridge.

Journey patterns will change as seen on the previous extensions to the ELL via Forest Hill, with the option of changing at Clapham High Street for the Northern line, Canada Water for the Jubilee (which will be the most popular I guess), Shadwell for the DLR and Whitechapel for the District and H&C. Shoreditch High Street is a few minutes walk from Liverpool Street and the City.

[James Barber]

It is a poor exchange South London Line for East London Line phase 2.

Sadly it's about getting longer distance commuters away from Victoria and Waterloo than improving our services.

[Renata Hamvas]

I think it is appalling that the Victoria service will be lost. It will take much longer in the evening for people to travel home via Clapham, it may even be quicker to tube it the 4 stops to Blackfriars and then the train from there if the timing is right with the train.

Renata

[benmorg]

edcam Wrote:

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> Bic Basher Wrote:

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> True, but London Bridge then Charing Cross is just

> as quick if you want to get to centre of town

> (more pleasant too). Or you'll be able to go ELL

> to Canada Water then Jubilee line. All much of a

> muchness.

It's isn't much of a muchness though. Denmark Hill to Victoria is currently 9 minutes. If you have to change at London Bridge and then Charing Cross you make three journeys, which will take at least 40 minutes altogether. Going via Clapham will take about 50 minutes. ELL to Canada Water followed by Jubilee line and then District Line is a massive diversion and another 3-train journey. How is that "just as quick"?

[edcam]

benmorg Wrote:

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> It's isn't much of a muchness though. Denmark Hill

> to Victoria is currently 9 minutes. If you have to

> change at London Bridge and then Charing Cross you

> make three journeys, which will take at least 40

> minutes altogether. Going via Clapham will take

> about 50 minutes. ELL to Canada Water followed by

> Jubilee line and then District Line is a massive

> diversion and another 3-train journey. How is that

> "just as quick"?

I know the DH-Victoria route is the quickest for the overground section but if you want to get into the West End the DH-LB-CX route is faster. I've done both for years and when you take into account (particularly at busy times) how far Victoria really is from the West End and how busy the tube is from there, the LB/CX route is much quicker. You can also pick up the Jubilee Line at London Bridge if you want to go further West.

Im not saying I like the fact that the Victoria service is reducing but having done both routes for many years I hardly ever use the Victoria route at peak times if I can help it.

[LondonMix]

Everyone assumes that the majority of people travelling to Victoria end their journey there. Victoria is normally just the first entry point to central London followed by transfer to bus or tube. My husband was bemoaning the loss of the SLL for ELLX as he currently travels via Victoria when he doesn't cycle to get to Milbank area. However, once we looked at it, the new ELLX will open up two alternative routes that are shorter / equal timing.

For those who really think they will be massively put out, I suggest you rethink your route (including thinking about travelling to other tube stops near your final destination that aren't on the Victoria line) and remembering the interchange with the Jubilee line, and the District line the ELL will provide as well as the interchange with the WLL at Clapham Junction.

People like my husband won?t use the Victoria train anymore so hopefully enough people will benefit as he will from the new route options so that the remaining service to Victoria has sufficient capacity for those for whom that really is the best option. The remaining Victoria service is the longer trains (SLL trains were short) so hopefully the math will work out from a capacity perspective.

Only time will tell regarding people?s travel patterns but I think it could be a net benefit. The Victoria service was really only half our given the way the service was spread and there are lots of new travel options to East and West London.

[James Barber]

The inner South London Line is a terrible loss to the area. Many people who work in the Viuctoria Whitehall area will be affected and it will make our area far less appealing for such employees. Again South London is being sacrificed to help others. The fact osuth London has so many viaducts and cuttings dislocating it with resulting issues is ignored.

It's a sorry state of affairs where neither Ken or Boris have clearly explained why they initiated or agreed to this. Both have hid behind it's the national govt fault whether it be Labour or the coalition.

[benevetts]

I think the ELL extension is generally a good thing but the reduction in Victoria connections is a major concern, especially since the evening/weekend services were reinstated to Blackfriars at the beginning of the summer. We do need all our elected representatives (regardless of their political affiliation) to push for late night and sunday victoria services as part of the revised Southeastern franchise.

[titch juicy]

19 mins peckham rye to shoreditch high street means i can be door to door to work in less than half an hour, and more importantly door to door to brick lane beigel bake in less than half an hour :0)