Dulwich LSP Phase 2 - No access for cars Townley Road to East Dulwich Road from 22 October

[Nigello]

This bit of Goodrich is different. It was narrowed by half FOR SAFETY years and years ago. Since then traffic has grown and the lorries are heavier, more frequent and more likely to come down not knowing IT?S HALF WIDTH. How?s that for SAFETY?

Also, the school told the council it didn?t have the resources to manage a barrier, which I think is fair enough.

Anyway, it?s in someone else?s hands now higher up than council level. Watch this space!

[malumbu]

Brakes are the food of the devil and responsible for the same pub meals from Cornwall to Cumbria. As they are owned by an American firm they will be one of the first to sell chlorinated chicken. Surely in ED schools can get their food delivered by cargo bike or simply grow their own. Disclaimer, these comments are purely in jest.

[Rockets]

Our collective views on Brakes as a company aside (Malumbu I share you thoughts entirely - how dare schools not be using cargo bikes ;-)) - this is not a huge lorry trying to find it's way around the backstreets using Waze it is a lorry delivering (I presume the school meals) to the school that now has nowhere to stop due to the bollards that have been put in in front of the school, I presume these bollards are a pre-cursor to the Goodrich closure being put in?

Did Goodrich ever agree to the measures that are about to go in? I heard they said to the council that they weren't what the school wanted - or was that because the gate would need to be manually operated by someone from the school?

[legalalien]

Southwark Cyclists? tracker, which I came across earlier, says plans have changed. There was a decision made in favour of closure but no TMO seems to have been put in place. There is another batch of schools streets due to be announced so could be in that.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1eBxvYUYgFti9qYPZtl8FX0jTs74CnFHqaOKLk4UAwgw/htmlview

[Rockets]

legalalien Wrote:

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> Southwark Cyclists? tracker, which I came across

> earlier, says plans have changed. There was a

> decision made in favour of closure but no TMO

> seems to have been put in place. There is another

> batch of schools streets due to be announced so

> could be in that.

>

> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1eBxvYU

> YgFti9qYPZtl8FX0jTs74CnFHqaOKLk4UAwgw/htmlview

Wow.....that's a well organised lobby group. Difficult for residents to work out what's going on but Southwark Cyclists have all the answers.....I wonder how they get such detailed info.....hmmmmmmm.....?????

Has anyone dug a little deeper looking at how intertwined these lobby groups are with the council? We know they are being consulted on every closure but does it go further than that?

[Roky Erickson]

Nigello Wrote:

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> Also, the school told the council it didn?t have

> the resources to manage a barrier, which I think

> is fair enough.

It's one of the largest (if not the largest) primary schools in the borough -- how can they possibly not have the resources ? Especially given every other school nearby seems to manage it. And, in any case, if child safety is the priority, then they ought to be helped to find those resources !

> This bit of Goodrich is different. It was narrowed

> by half FOR SAFETY years and years ago. Since then

> traffic has grown and the lorries are heavier,

> more frequent and more likely to come down not

> knowing IT?S HALF WIDTH. How?s that for SAFETY?

And where do you expect these heavy lorries to go ? Down the other two sides of the school, where the main entrances lie ? So it's fine to have children endangered, just as long as the traffic isn't going past your front door ?

[mrwb]

Presumably the idea is to "re-educate" the parents from Alleyns who use Townley road when dropping kids ?

With a secondary objective of income from all the PCNs, guessing council finances are in dire straits due to Covid ?

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

Rockets Wrote:

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> Wow.....that's a well organised lobby group.

> Difficult for residents to work out what's going

> on but Southwark Cyclists have all the

> answers.....I wonder how they get such detailed

> info.....hmmmmmmm.....?????

>

> Has anyone dug a little deeper looking at how

> intertwined these lobby groups are with the

> council? We know they are being consulted on every

> closure but does it go further than that?

I heard Southwark Cyclists hosted the last Bilderberg Group meeting at which COVID was planned.

[northernmonkey]

Haha- I think you?re onto something there.

Alternatively maybe they just read all the documents published by Southwark..

It?s definitely one of those things though, just hard to work out which!

Dogkennelhillbilly Wrote:

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> Rockets Wrote:

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> > Wow.....that's a well organised lobby group.

> > Difficult for residents to work out what's

> going

> > on but Southwark Cyclists have all the

> > answers.....I wonder how they get such detailed

> > info.....hmmmmmmm.....?????

> >

> > Has anyone dug a little deeper looking at how

> > intertwined these lobby groups are with the

> > council? We know they are being consulted on

> every

> > closure but does it go further than that?

>

> I heard Southwark Cyclists hosted the last

> Bilderberg Group meeting at which COVID was

> planned.

[h3+]

I assume we are talking about East Dulwich Grove not East Dulwich Road? Unless there's a worm hole at the junction

[Rockets]

northernmonkey Wrote:

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> Haha- I think you?re onto something there.

>

> Alternatively maybe they just read all the

> documents published by Southwark..

>

> It?s definitely one of those things though, just

> hard to work out which!

>

>

> Dogkennelhillbilly Wrote:

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> > Rockets Wrote:

> >

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> > -----

> > > Wow.....that's a well organised lobby group.

> > > Difficult for residents to work out what's

> > going

> > > on but Southwark Cyclists have all the

> > > answers.....I wonder how they get such

> detailed

> > > info.....hmmmmmmm.....?????

> > >

> > > Has anyone dug a little deeper looking at how

> > > intertwined these lobby groups are with the

> > > council? We know they are being consulted on

> > every

> > > closure but does it go further than that?

> >

> > I heard Southwark Cyclists hosted the last

> > Bilderberg Group meeting at which COVID was

> > planned.

Ha ha...if they have managed to find and read all the documents by themselves they deserve a medal as Southwark doesn't make it easy to find the information.....;-)

Perhaps during one of their regular "Are you happy with these road closures/how would you like us to amend our road closures our great and magnificent cycling group" consultation meetings they slipped them a brown envelope, winked and said...that's where we have hidden the documents we don't want the constituents to find!!! ;-)

[Zig-Zag]

Rockets....Please csn I nominate you for London Mayor? Very impressed with the huge amount of thorough research and time you've put in. 👍 Thank you

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

Rockets Wrote:

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> northernmonkey Wrote:

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> > Haha- I think you?re onto something there.

> >

> > Alternatively maybe they just read all the

> > documents published by Southwark..

> >

> > It?s definitely one of those things though,

> just

> > hard to work out which!

> >

> >

> > Dogkennelhillbilly Wrote:

> >

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> > -----

> > > Rockets Wrote:

> > >

> >

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> >

> > > -----

> > > > Wow.....that's a well organised lobby

> group.

> > > > Difficult for residents to work out what's

> > > going

> > > > on but Southwark Cyclists have all the

> > > > answers.....I wonder how they get such

> > detailed

> > > > info.....hmmmmmmm.....?????

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone dug a little deeper looking at

> how

> > > > intertwined these lobby groups are with the

> > > > council? We know they are being consulted

> on

> > > every

> > > > closure but does it go further than that?

> > >

> > > I heard Southwark Cyclists hosted the last

> > > Bilderberg Group meeting at which COVID was

> > > planned.

>

>

> Ha ha...if they have managed to find and read all

> the documents by themselves they deserve a medal

> as Southwark doesn't make it easy to find the

> information.....;-)

>

>

> Perhaps during one of their regular "Are you happy

> with these road closures/how would you like us to

> amend our road closures our great and magnificent

> cycling group" consultation meetings they slipped

> them a brown envelope, winked and said...that's

> where we have hidden the documents we don't want

> the constituents to find!!! ;-)

...and then went and published it on the internet so that anyone could access it, for free?

It is genuinely weird to see people (who are presumably otherwise sensible, average human beings) making up conspiracy theories about a local traffic scheme in suburban London.

[Rockets]

Many thanks DKHB.. your erudite contribution to this debate is so welcome!

Anyway, back to business...see how Cllr Newens grandstands to her neighbours how she is working to get traffic out of the village quicker to cause congestion on EDG and onto Lordship Lane....hurrah, she says, now the problem is Cllr McAsh's...

She doesn't seem too keen to engage people in a debate about the displacement....see some of the comments..

[Soylent Green]

JohnL Wrote:

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> legalalien Wrote:

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> > It's Southwark Council - if you have a look at

> the

> > last few pages of the "our healthy streets"

> thread

> > there are links to relevant documents. There is

> a

> > further council meeting about it today.

>

> The money is coming from central government and is

> also part of the terma of the bailout - however

> much some councils welcome them.

>

> It seems to be a cross party plan

It seems to me that these measures, along with Congestion Charge changes, are the Tory's plan to make Londoners disillusioned with Labour Councils. I was appalled when I saw BJ on TV saying that the funding crisis in TfL was down to the present mayor's mismanagement. He later retracted the statement, but the lies show the intent.

[Sue]

I turned right into Townley Road from East Dulwich Grove today.

Have I missed something here?

[northernmonkey]

No- the changes haven?t happened yet

[slarti b]

Sue Wrote:

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> I turned right into Townley Road from East Dulwich Grove today. Have I missed something here?

Southwark has not implemented the phase 2(?) measures yet and, even when they do you will still be able to turn right from EDG into Townley. If they are consistent and keep north and south bound symmetrical this means they will probably introduce a phase 3 to divert traffic along EDG and LL by closing off that right turn (as per the OHS proposals) but this has not happened yet. I guess the residents and business's on EDG and LL will be keeping their fingers crossed this will be delayed as long as possible.

[tiddles]

What times are we not allowed on these roads please?

[wallsend]

8-10 and 3-6

But you can always travel in the opposite direction to the cameras of course.

[wallsend]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/indepth/car-wars-coronavirus-and-the-rise-in-traffic-cutting-schemes/ar-BB1akcvi?ocid=msedgdhp

[KidKruger]

So basically we/ van drive down Townley, avoiding fines, between 10am - 3pm.

Has anyone tried/tested this pls ?

Just don't wanna get caught-out later..

wallsend Wrote:

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> 8-10 and 3-6

>

> But you can always travel in the opposite

> direction to the cameras of course.

[Rockets]

yes you will be able to.

Not sure the cameras are in yet anywhere - Cllr Newens is putting pressure on TFL to get them in this week in the Village but nothing had gone in this morning.

I suspect TFL will be needing to look at how road signage will need to change in other places as they need to ensure people are aware of the closures - for example, you have to alert traffic on the A205 signage that there are going to be times when you now can't get through the Village.

Cllr Newens will be desperate for these to go in before the school return as it will likely be chaos if they go in in the middle of a school week.

[Froglander]

Can someone confirm that there aren?t any signs or cameras yet regarding Townley Road access to Dulwich Village? I couldn?t find the relevant notice on the Southwark website.

[tommyboy]

No cameras or signs yet. However, posts have been erected (for cameras I imagine).