The BBC

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...what a fooking joke. They let Saville get away with it for years, don't show a Newsnight exposure and then start making major claims,threaten a Newsnight exposure....and it turns out it's all on the words of a rather sad fantasist. Bad as Murdoch in many ways but publicly funded....and meant to be free of political bias (hmmmmm)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20269114

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Media commentator Steve Hewlett said: "For the BBC this is just a disaster. You have a programme like Newsnight which in the last few weeks has been flayed alive for not broadcasting something that probably was true (about Jimmy Savile) and has now responded - or that's how it appears - by broadcasting something that flagrantly wasn't true.

"How on earth did it get on air? If there are questions about the BBC these just multiply them. What does this say about the BBC's journalistic standards? It looks like it was done on the rebound."

From the BBC itself, retweet that Lefties

[Otta]

Pretty damning stuff.

MOTD is good though ;-)

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The Voice, however, is sh1t

[Otta]

That's just Jessie J's fault.

[Huguenot]

I somehow doubt that Schofield's list was sanctioned by the BBC top brass. I'll share Quids drop jaw response if it was.

I suspect that if they did sanction that document then they wouldn't have chosen Schofield to front it.

If it wasn't agreed by the organisation then they hardly deserve this abuse for a spontaneous attention seeking flourish from a dim celebrity in a throwaway morning television live slot on a competitor privately owned channel. Ridiculous.

The Newsnight fiasco demonstrated inexperience and, ironically, a desire to be seen as transparent. They reported an allegation supported by witnesses and the police, they're not a court of law.

With Savile they were castigated for NOT reporting an allegation. WTF do people want?

With Savile they were castigated for being editorialy subordinate to top brass, with MacAlpine they acted independently. WTF do people want?

The only difference between Savile and Lord MacAlpine from a journalistic point of view is that one was alive to defend his name. I should add that at this stage NONE of the allegations against Savile and his peers are proven. Should the BBC not report them?

To imagine that this is some part of anti-Tory agenda is paranoid. Is that what the political right has come to?

What's your real agenda here Quids, because plastering your anti BBC comments across 2 sections and 3 threads is not proportionate to the crime?

I think you're tilting at windmills Quids, and it's your ideology that's driving you.

[Salsaboy]

Schofield is on ITV.

Huguenot Wrote:

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> I somehow doubt that Schofield's list was

> sanctioned by the BBC top brass.

[BrandNewGuy]

Huguenot Wrote:

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> With Savile they were castigated for NOT reporting

> an allegation. WTF do people want?

Properly and painstakingly researched material, backed up by corroboration. That's what Newsnight's original piece was, as far as we can tell. Their latest piece failed that test on every count, it seems.

[Jeremy]

Who made the BBC our judge, jury, and executioner? Why should they be investigating reported crimes, then broadcasting their findings on national TV? This goes way beyond "investigative journalism".

As far as I'm concerned, both the Jimmy Saville and Lord MacAlpine cases should have been police matters.

[Huguenot]

Totally agree.

[*Bob*]

Surely it's not enough that the entire BBC reduced to rubble, offices razed to the ground and every employee thrown off a cliff into a snake pit?

No, we should consider dismantling the very cosmos itself; reducing it back to molecular level - in the hope that it rebuilds itself in a better way. For all our futures.

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> Surely it's not enough that the entire BBC reduced

> to rubble, offices razed to the ground and every

> employee thrown off a cliff into a snake pit?

You've seen the BBC Christmas schedule then?

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"The Newsnight fiasco demonstrated inexperience and, ironically, a desire to be seen as transparent. They reported an allegation supported by witnesses and the police, they're not a court of law. "

....90 year old media colossus' flagship highbrow news programme at a time when it's under scrutiny is just 'inexperienced' lol - what do you think it is Huge a small piece in the Croydon Bugle?

Apparently the BBC are trawling the EDF 'cos they hear New Nexus has some truly explosive stuff to report....

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> Apparently the BBC are trawling the EDF 'cos they

> hear New Nexus has some truly explosive stuff to

> report....

If the Beeb don't want it maybe the SoBL will (provided it's baseless enough).

"J'accuse sans preuve" is the new black mode du jour.

[david_carnell]

And Entwhistle has resigned. Not really sure if that achieves anything except to briefly silence the haters.

[Otta]

Poor bastard, arrived in to this mess and got totally screwed IMO.

I hate to see the little man fall, but equally the top guy shouldn't necessarily fall on his sword.

[StraferJack]

His response in radio 4 did rather show him out of his depth tho

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Yes it did, but who would be comfortable at this sort of depth? I'm not a supporter or detractor of the guy I just think he landed in a massive pile of shit.

[Otta]

Iguess what I'm saying is that it's like sacking a highly paid football manager after 5 matches. He never had a chance to look at the situation and clean up what neded cleaning up (not covering up, just to be clear).

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I think it was down to pressure from Patten and his Govt. friends to make them (the Govt.) look 'proactive' when they appoint yet another 'new broom'.

Also takes the focus away from the whole issue of privileged and powerful men being involved in paedophilia and onto the BBC - bloody licence fees, bloody Guardian reading red revolutionaries, bloody intellectual chattering classes, etc. etc.

[Huguenot]

Quids, what I mean is that after public outrage that Newsnight had NOT publicised unsubstantiated and unproven allegations about Savile, the anti BBC mob forced the resignation of the Head of News and the Editor of Newsnight (amongst others).

What's more, the rage against the supposed interference of senior BBC management in the Savile programme had created an environment where journalists were unsure whether stories such as this should be referred up the chain for approval.

So now you've got stand in programme directors surrounded by stand in management reporting to a Director General not even five weeks into the job.

So yes, I mean an inexperienced crew under direct fire from a delirious right wing hate mob peddling conspiracy theories demanding contradictory approaches.

That's when mistakes get made.

Let's be honest, the hate mob despise the BBC when they don't publish unproven allegations, and they despise them when they do. That's not a rational criticism, nor is it constructive.

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the mob, right wing conspiracy theories,hounding out, etc etc, all good stuff huge, ultimatelly you are actually a bit of CTist yourelf really. The CT that has actually been doing the rounds is that there was a massive senior tory Paedo Ring operating in the 80s, largely based on a statement from a single source who has now retracted, and this and the BBC reported and this combined with the general 'all tories are scum' ideology of many ultra intelligent thinking liberals (not all, I hasten to add, some did question it) has been twittering/facebooking even EDFing its way round social media for several weeks now and now it looks to have been on highly dodgy ground ie one poor damaged fellas abuse claims.

To compare this with Jimmy Saville, where multiple long running claims were coming in is just stupid.

I still think an enquiry should be launched to get to th truth.

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This whole thread is sadly predictable...

"cyclists use the road when my hard earned taxes have gone into providing cycle paths"

...direct quote from the Guardian's "Bradley Wiggins is hit by a car, then the cyclist haters pile in"

http://m.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/08/bradley-wiggins-cyclist-haters-cycling?cat=commentisfree&type=article

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,,,anyway, hopefully we'll get one of the women candidates(I think there's two potential) chosen as DG as it's about time and it may help in some of the other enquiries re a culture of sexual harrassment.

In terms of editorial policy, I am just staggered, nay flabergasted that a story like this in the current environment didn't go up the chain for approval (and I tend to believe it didn't) Smacks of a far too big management chain of ineffectual managers (with lovely salaries and pensions and senior ones on Management Company tax dodging schemes a la Humphries - trebles all round). I support the BBC and public broadcasting but it's a horrible, inefficient monster bureacracy, which stifles competition from elsewhere. I'd like to see the BBC cut say in half, and Radio and Televsion seperated under seperate structures/management etc(which would go some way to breaking down the BBCs massive monoloply on broadcast news for instance ) - don't think it would damage programme quality much either.

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...oh here we go BS, the BBC is untouchable and any one who claims otherwise is a DailyMail reading etc etc etc. That's what is predictable.