Excessive wind in 4mo

[Ellie78]

Throwing this one out to the wisdom of the forum-

My son is 4mo and excessively windy, both ends, still! It disturbs his sleep and we 're up for half the night trying to get it out of him.

I made an effort not to eat dairy and we put him on aptimil comfort - hes combination fed- and that seemed to be much better, though not gone. Now it's back big time- have to admit I had a little bit of yoghurt the other day, and within 12 hours he was back to his windy self.

Am I kidding myself its dairy related? My partner says he can't possibly be that sensitive but its the only thing that makes sense to me.

We bought a tin of aptimil pepti that I'm thinking of trying him on but just wondered what anyone else's experience had been with this.

[Ellie78]

I mean excessive wind experience & dairy, rather than just aptimil pepti!

[shaunag]

Hi.dont think you are imagining it.my lo reacts with severe diahorrea if I have trace amounts of dairy or soy.you need to see the gp,get a referral to the team at kings to see a gastro specialist and dietician.my lo went Undiagnosed for three months which made her allergy so much more severe. I was told struggling like they are trying to go to the loo for hours on end is a symptom of a gut allergy. He can be that sensitive.also,for the non-dairy formulas,what they are is partially pre-digested so the body doesn't recognise the cows milk/soy protein.pepti is the first in this-if he is severely allergic this may not be sufficient for him-he may need nutramigen (more digested) or neocate (even more digested). It takes quite a while to get an appointment with the team at kings so I would get to the gps straight away. The gps are not supposed to prescribe alternative formulas without the nod from a specialist, but some do,so it's worth asking so you can try it while you wait.it is a food idea to get your lo to accept the formula before they hit 6 months as they tend to have taste preferences from then on. If it is Cmpa, he may have developed a soy allergy as something like 40% of Cmpa babies do-so you may need to cut this out also (in extreme cases traces of as well). There are different sensitivity levels though-my daughter was/is severe,so projectile vomiting and diahorrea,but sounds like he is struggling so don't underestimate his discomfort-mum,is generally,right when she thinks that something is wrong (don't let people tell you you are imagining things). Take care.xx

[susyp]

Hi Ellie, this was my experience with a dairy allergic baby and I think several others on this forum have had the same experience. I would get your baby tested asap. You may have to go private for the test then you can do it next day (we're talking around ?150 I think) and then you can opt back into NHS system. See your GP and they can refer you. Good luck

Susypx

ps also if your baby is diagnosed as dairy allergic - go straight for neocate - not nutramigen - lots of babies still react to this but it builds up slowly - I was left with a baby projectile vomiting at christmas time and not keeping anything down and a registrar refusing to change the prescription because the specialist had suggested nutramigen. Also the way I got her onto it was to mix breast/her normal milk with varying amounts of the new formula - ie 80/20% and keep reducing the percentages. Some people say you shouldn't mix breast and formula like this but sometimes it's needs must. But take the advice of your specialist of course + ask to be referred to a dietitian. I think my daughter was so hungry by the time we got to neocate she didn't care what went in!! (and she was never underweight like many websites say allergic babies will be ).

pps also my daughter is soy intolerant not allergic - so doesn't show up in any tests but she still gets chronic pain if she has it. I am not sure if this is right so obviously ask the question - but I think allergies tend to make you throw up/diarrohea - intolerances don't do this but do make you feel ill. That at least is the experience of my daughter and my mum (who is chronically inotlerant to nearly everything but not allergic to anything!!) . hope that's not too confusing.

ppps my third addition is to say that you will quickly learn as a mum - your instinct is nearly always right! xxx

[Yak]

My little one didn't have as severe problems as Susyp or shaunag's ones but yes, I accidentally ate a sandwich with margarine on it and noticed the difference within about 5 hours. For me the only thing that worked was cutting out all dairy which was really hard - but we definitely had it easier compared to some other forumites! I would definitely see a doc if you are at all worried.

[Strawbs]

My son has a cows milk protein allergy plus soya. He is very sensitive and if he has anything he shouldn't we have screaming, toilet issues and a skin reaction for the soya YET when he went to the allergist it didn't come up on his skin prick tests which led to the allergist recommending we try normal formula again and it was a total disaster. Pop to see your gp ASAP and see what their take is on it but fight your corner if your gut is telling you it's an allergy.. My gp was fantastic and prescribed neocate straight away.. If you have access to private health insurance make sure baby Ellie is on it and covered before you see your gp to make sure any treatment is covered as it took me 6 months to get a reflux / allergist and dietician appt.. X

[Strawbs]

Forgot to mention my gp told me the aptamil pepti (I think that's whatnot is called) 38% of children with cmpa will also react to the formula.. X

[patt1980]

Just to re-iterate the other posters comments but I would definitely look into a cow's milk protein allergy and/or soy as my daughter had similar symptoms and it is only when i got her diagnosed and onto neocate did i realise how uncomfortable she had been before as she changed personalities overnight! She went from a baby with severe reflux who could only sleep on my chest or in her carseat to sleeping in long (ish) stretches and was just so much more content. I am not sure if it is your first baby but my daughter was and i think it meant i put off visiting the GP as i thought all babies had such terrible wind and explosive poos and it was only when my mum came to visit that she told me it wasn't normal:-) Hopefully as well if you can get him more comfortable quickly you will be able to carry on combination feeding as i know my daughter started refusing the breast as she associated it with pain.

Anyway good luck and if it is a dairy allergy it really is quite easy to manage and if my robust and healthy 18 month old is anything to go by does them no harm.

[susyp]

Yes sorry I should have posted that also - if it is diagnosed as a dairy allergy life will get so much easier (it can take about 2 weeks to go out of their system completely) and even though my daughter is still allergic at 4 that is relatively unusual (3 of her friends in her class at school were milk allergic first year and aren't now), and even then it's really not any problem at all.

ug patt1980 I used to sleep with my daughter kind of tucked into the crook of my arm so i could stroke her tummy every time she woke up screaming. awful times. x

also i gave up dairy when breast feeding but it didn't make the slightest jot of difference - not sure why, the neocate was the only thing that sorted her out.

susypx

[midivydale]

Ellie, just echo what the others have said. I would also suggest a test asap and neocate if it is cmpi. Will send you a pm. C xx