Dwayne Chambers - Your views

[Keef]

Come on, we all love a cheat, who could forget Nasty Nick?

[LizzygotDizzy]

No, I think one wonders would all of that have come out if it hadn't been found out. I don't think she would have really said hey guess what I did in my past, weeks before an election, but if she did then good luck to her, as it all seems to be about "when" the sh*t hits the fan, before or after election, what difference does it make, (many politicians have had "real life experience" with previous drug experimentation etc. and torrid sexual scandals, thats MPs all over. "Purity of Body" sport??? erm ok!!! cos no-one else has ever taken drugs while doing sports eh, as with the country's cyclists when some were found to be using performance enhancers, once the punishment has been carried out and the time done it should remain where it belongs in the past, and if you don't like that then Eat Me! Is my opinion, and you won't change it, no matter what you are ranting on about.

[*Bob*]

LizzygotDizzy Wrote:

...and if you don't like that then Eat Me!

Crikey!

[lozzyloz]

cos no-one else has ever taken drugs while doing sports eh

Well that's in favour of Alan's argument which makes more sense than its ok to do drugs as long as you serve the ban when you get caught.

Keef I agree. I always cheat, just haven't been caught yet.

[LizzygotDizzy]

I am not for one moment condoning the use of performance enhancers or illegal substances in any sports, but if the set time for a crime has been done, then yes in this instance a person should be allowed to leave it in the past and compete if he is deemed the best candidate for the job, but only if they genuinely regret it and there is no repeat occurence. The only answer to this is for the regulatory authorities to change the time limits or impose even stricter laws or bans on this subject in order to really deter use in the first place. If athletes were faced with known lifetime bans or really harsh penalities, then they may think twice about dabbling in the first place.

[Alan Dale]

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[EDOldie]

If we had barristers in East Dulwich they'd be at Dwayne Chambers.

[lozzyloz]

That would be freaky Alan. Since we are approaching the zenith of human (unaided) athletisism and records being broken by hundredths this will certainly make it more interesting. Let's also introduce other incentives like a 10,000 volt electric shock to make athletes jump higher and run faster. That would be fun for spectators. Come to think of it why not bring on the games at the Wembley Coliseum. We could pit Scientologists against the buggy pushers.

[mockney piers]

How about fitting them all out with fascinae and scuta and see who makes it across the line first?

[Maximay]

Have to say that I agree with Lizzy on this one, the hypocrisy on this forum is a joke, and well argued too you had some good points.

[SeanMacGabhann]

I tend to side with Lizzy on this one - although the advice we gave to CWALD a few weeks back before the television debate may not have gone amiss here

Lozzyloz makes some very good arguments against and in the specifics of his examples I would side with him - but I don't think they always map 100% against an athlete. I'm wary of lot's pf finger pointing going on from within athletics but Chambers probably knows as well as anyone that one of the reasons for drug-taking in sport is part of the competition with other drug-takers. That's where the hypocrisy comes into it

In a sense I would support Chambers MORE if he stood for election to a sports/oversight body based upon his experience. That would be more relevant and makes the CWALD comparison more pertinent as well

[ChavWivaLawDegree]

The Chambers thing came about because the athletics board messed up by not doing the requisite testing while he was on his ban so I don't see how anyone can really condem him fro something that there is now no proof of. Hair follicle tests can be used for drug tests, but would they pick up all the banned substances? I have no idea about that.

I don't think drugs should be accepted in sports because the competitiveness which is a natural thing in top level atheletes would mean that a lot of young people might destroy their health in order to bring glory to themselves, their club or coach. Maybe the performance enhancers need to be looked at though, because not all of them are actually detrimental to health although I'm not sure about practices like blood doping where they put back a pint or so of blood they removed previously to up their red blood cell count. Can't imagine it can be very good for the heart.

But maybe the situation with adults, over 21 or so, should be more of a case of informing them of the risks and letting them do what they want with their body, I don't know. But it would probably result in a very unhealthy elite sports world.

[MelbourneGr]

Dwayne can go long jump himself off a cliff.

Drug taking shouldn't be allowed in any sport apart from fake wrestling!

If you can't compete fairly, don't - especially in athlectics as people train for years.

It's like a tough exam I had a few months ago. During the exam some nut got a piece of paper out and was reading it (quite skillfully). He then asked to go to the bog and came back writing like there was no tomorrow. That really annoyed me as some of us spent weeks revising, trying to get our qualifications while others waltz through.

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

Outside Melbourne Gr. I've seen Shirley Crabtree live - great stuff.

[MelbourneGr]

Who is outside Melbourne Grove? and who is Shirley Crabtree?

[lozzyloz]

He was the original Puffed Daddy.

[MelbourneGr]

A bloke called Shirley? He must have had a tough time at school...

[Keef]

I don't think he will have had too many problems with bullies to be honest.

[*Bob*]

Haystacks from 4b gave him a rough time - but he always gave as good as he got.

[MelbourneGr]

He teamed up with Davey Boy. Now it all makes sense.

[SteveT]

LizzyGD wrote:- but only if they genuinely regret it

I would only regret getting caught, as I suspect anyone else in that position would. Dwayne's a big lad, I dont suppose anyone held a gun to his head and forced those drugs down his throat on a daily basis.

He knew the risks and the unforgiveable thing of getting caught and banned, is the price you pay for being out of control. I have done exactly the same as Dwayne and I got caught I did not have nearly so much to lose as he, but I knew what I was doing, I knew it was illegal, and I still did it.

I believe the places should be given first to those who have an unblemished record (those who have not been caught) and the rest like Dwayne and myself should go for a career change.

[LizzygotDizzy]

My main point actually was that he has done the time for the crime he committed, are you saying that anyone and everyone who has ever done wrong by way of drugs usage, even though they have served their bans/or gone to jail and carried out their sentence/basically have carried out the punishment meted out to them for the crime in the first place then deserves, for the rest of their life and for ever more to be slain and held accountable for it? The only time that I would say that this should be the case is for paedos and murderers.

[LizzygotDizzy]

I think the sentances or deterrants need to be a lot stronger, even life time bans to really prevent things like this happening again and to really deter those bent on abusing the system.