Urgent: Help Reopen Closed Melbourne Grove and adjacent roads

[legalalien]

Yes that?s right.

The crowdfunding is a red herring. None of us knows how much the decorations cost. My point re Cllr McAsh is that if you think the RA has acted inappropriately, maybe funding them again

is a bad idea. Whether or not the RA claimed this year?s funding is irrelevant to that.

[nxjen]

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> > I don?t see any trolling. I came across the

> > decorations last week and didn?t see any

> > insensitive messages on the gravestones. As for

> > heart over-ruling head ...

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> Yes because Rat Run and This is a Dead End are

> such familiar phrases used globally at Halloween

> aren't they...how silly of me...

You were chuckling about them on 30 October, as I suspect the majority did when they saw them

[Rockets]

nxjen Wrote:

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> > > I don?t see any trolling. I came across the

> > > decorations last week and didn?t see any

> > > insensitive messages on the gravestones. As

> for

> > > heart over-ruling head ...

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> > Yes because Rat Run and This is a Dead End are

> > such familiar phrases used globally at

> Halloween

> > aren't they...how silly of me...

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> You were chuckling about them on 30 October, as I

> suspect the majority did when they saw them

I realised how utterly insensitive a lot of them were to anyone with a business struggling on Melbourne Grove. In that light do you not think they were a bit ill-conceived and insensitive given what is happening to a lot of businesses since the closures? Or is it that because you support them that everything is fair game now and we should all just laugh along with the jokes and turn a blind eye to the reality of the negative impact of the closures?

[JohnL]

The one place you can write what you want is your tombstone

https://imgur.com/gallery/yBj0a

[nxjen]

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> > > > I don?t see any trolling. I came across the

> > > > decorations last week and didn?t see any

> > > > insensitive messages on the gravestones. As

> > for

> > > > heart over-ruling head ...

> > >

> > > Yes because Rat Run and This is a Dead End

> are

> > > such familiar phrases used globally at

> > Halloween

> > > aren't they...how silly of me...

> >

> >

> > You were chuckling about them on 30 October, as

> I

> > suspect the majority did when they saw them

>

> I realised how utterly insensitive a lot of them

> were to anyone with a business struggling on

> Melbourne Grove. In that light do you not think

> they were a bit ill-conceived and insensitive

> given what is happening to a lot of businesses

> since the closures? Or is it that because you

> support them that everything is fair game now and

> we should all just laugh along with the jokes and

> turn a blind eye to the reality of the negative

> impact of the closures?

I will not be responding to your question out of sensitivity to the traders

[Rockets]

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> > > > > I don?t see any trolling. I came across

> the

> > > > > decorations last week and didn?t see any

> > > > > insensitive messages on the gravestones.

> As

> > > for

> > > > > heart over-ruling head ...

> > > >

> > > > Yes because Rat Run and This is a Dead End

> > are

> > > > such familiar phrases used globally at

> > > Halloween

> > > > aren't they...how silly of me...

> > >

> > >

> > > You were chuckling about them on 30 October,

> as

> > I

> > > suspect the majority did when they saw them

> >

> > I realised how utterly insensitive a lot of

> them

> > were to anyone with a business struggling on

> > Melbourne Grove. In that light do you not think

> > they were a bit ill-conceived and insensitive

> > given what is happening to a lot of businesses

> > since the closures? Or is it that because you

> > support them that everything is fair game now

> and

> > we should all just laugh along with the jokes

> and

> > turn a blind eye to the reality of the negative

> > impact of the closures?

>

> I will not be responding to your question out of

> sensitivity to the traders

Of course not......;-) Utterly predictable......

[KidKruger]

looks like you got an early-bird discount John !

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> The one place you can write what you want is your

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> https://imgur.com/gallery/yBj0a

[FairTgirl]

It would appear that Melbourne Grove North is now also being closed at EDG end as well from 5 Nov for a School Street.

[legalalien]

(at the risk of being slightly off topic - I think 2(a) should refer to ED Grove not ED Road. They might need a new sign...

Question: is there a reason why they couldn't move the barrier at the GV end a bit further towards EDG, so that there is parking outside the shops that can be accessed from GV but no through route? Because that would seem like an obvious compromise. (Doesn't fix the problem of traffic on EDG but not sure how much of that is caused by these closures as opposed to the Dulwich Village ones?

[Metallic]

legalalien Wrote:

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> (at the risk of being slightly off topic - I think

> 2(a) should refer to ED Grove not ED Road. They

> might need a new sign...

>

> Question: is there a reason why they couldn't

> move the barrier at the GV end a bit further

> towards EDG, so that there is parking outside the

> shops that can be accessed from GV but no through

> route? Because that would seem like an obvious

> compromise. (Doesn't fix the problem of traffic

> on EDG but not sure how much of that is caused by

> these closures as opposed to the Dulwich Village

> ones?

It shows they don't know what they are talking about. At least proof read for goodness sake!

[legalalien]

I actually have some empathy with the team that?s having to handle all this stuff. There?s an unusual volume of it you?d think - I?d be tearing my hair out! These detail focused tasks are a nightmare and I bet the people doing them aren?t terribly well paid / aren?t the people making the decisions.

Metallic Wrote:

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> > (at the risk of being slightly off topic - I

> think

> > 2(a) should refer to ED Grove not ED Road.

> They

> > might need a new sign...

> >

> > Question: is there a reason why they couldn't

> > move the barrier at the GV end a bit further

> > towards EDG, so that there is parking outside

> the

> > shops that can be accessed from GV but no

> through

> > route? Because that would seem like an obvious

> > compromise. (Doesn't fix the problem of

> traffic

> > on EDG but not sure how much of that is caused

> by

> > these closures as opposed to the Dulwich

> Village

> > ones?

> It shows they don't know what they are talking

> about. At least proof read for goodness sake!

[tiddles]

.so this means the business?s are once again penalised?

[KidKruger]

businesses

[tiddles]

Thx KK 😃

[legalalien]

I see on Twitter that Ealing MP Dr Rupa Haq is raising the issue of the LTNs in Parliament today

https://calendar.parliament.uk/

[FairTgirl]

legalalien Wrote:

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> (at the risk of being slightly off topic - I think

> 2(a) should refer to ED Grove not ED Road. They

> might need a new sign...

>

> Question: is there a reason why they couldn't

> move the barrier at the GV end a bit further

> towards EDG, so that there is parking outside the

> shops that can be accessed from GV but no through

> route? Because that would seem like an obvious

> compromise. (Doesn't fix the problem of traffic

> on EDG but not sure how much of that is caused by

> these closures as opposed to the Dulwich Village

> ones?

That question has been asked numerous times. Nine weeks and still no answers as to why not.

[march46]

FairTgirl Wrote:

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> legalalien Wrote:

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> > (at the risk of being slightly off topic - I

> think

> > 2(a) should refer to ED Grove not ED Road.

> They

> > might need a new sign...

> >

> > Question: is there a reason why they couldn't

> > move the barrier at the GV end a bit further

> > towards EDG, so that there is parking outside

> the

> > shops that can be accessed from GV but no

> through

> > route? Because that would seem like an obvious

> > compromise. (Doesn't fix the problem of

> traffic

> > on EDG but not sure how much of that is caused

> by

> > these closures as opposed to the Dulwich

> Village

> > ones?

>

> That question has been asked numerous times. Nine

> weeks and still no answers as to why not.

Is this something you / the businesses would support?

[dulwichfolk]

Would get confusing with the school street due to be put there too.

If a bit of the road is excluded it would become the school drop off point, half of which I assume they are trying to stop and encourage active travel. Similar to the cut off bit of court lane and the parents dropping off for the dulwich schools...or so I?ve heard!

[Rockets]

Are the council now saying they have created a school drop-off problem by closing Melbourne Grove at one end i.e. it has actually encouraged parents to drive their children to school?

Is it a problem at school times? Adding a school street to an already closed road seems ludicrous and seems completely counter to their protestations that they care about the shops on Melbourne Grove - I can't imagine this is going to help those shops one bit and likely drive more custom away.

Does anyone get the sense the council hasn't got the first clue that they are doing?

Peckham Rye closures get binned, the DV/EDG junction is made even worse with the huge bike lane (was this at the behest of Southwark cyclists per chance - they moaned that the cycle lane in the Peckham Rye recommendations was not wide enough and the council bowed down to their cycle paymasters....!!! ;-)) - all adds up to a comedy of errors and instills very little confidence in anyone that the council should be given these powers.

[FairTgirl]

Rockets Wrote:

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> Are the council now saying they have created a

> school drop-off problem by closing Melbourne Grove

> at one end i.e. it has actually encouraged parents

> to drive their children to school?

>

> Is it a problem at school times? Adding a school

> street to an already closed road seems ludicrous

> and seems completely counter to their

> protestations that they care about the shops on

> Melbourne Grove - I can't imagine this is going to

> help those shops one bit and likely drive more

> custom away.

>

> Does anyone get the sense the council hasn't got

> the first clue that they are doing?

>

> Peckham Rye closures get binned, the DV/EDG

> junction is made even worse with the huge bike

> lane (was this at the behest of Southwark cyclists

> per chance - they moaned that the cycle lane in

> the Peckham Rye recommendations was not wide

> enough and the council bowed down to their cycle

> paymasters....!!! ;-)) - all adds up to a comedy

> of errors and instills very little confidence in

> anyone that the council should be given these

> powers.

I am so glad to hear Peckham Rye has been binned - hopefully for good. We spent some time pointing out to Cllrs the irony of closing one set of roads at one end of East Dulwich Road to stop cutting through, only to create that precise problem at the other end - cars potentially trying to go down Kinsale/Fenwick/Amott etc - or up Barry/ down Crystal Palace and past more schools/nurseries.

The school streets, if it happens in conjunction with a partly closed road (why?) may make it more dangerous on EDG as cars turn back/deliveries have to wait/find somewhere to park/drive around.

Customers that come by car - many really do come from further afield and need to for various reasons previously mentioned - will just totally give up.

Calls to 'support business' by those who've been involved in this whole process and didn't speak to business once sound very hollow. It would be nice to see some actual support not just words.

[Rockets]

The new measures around Goodrich School are creating daily gridlock as the council has effectively created two-way roads that can only accommodate cars one way. The Goodrich/Dunstans roundabout is now gridlocked on a daily basis.

Is anyone at the council prepared to show any leadership one wonders? They have made an utter pig's ear of every one of these measures.

[northernmonkey]

Rockets- that bike lane has always been there! its just been protected with wands

Rockets Wrote:

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> Are the council now saying they have created a

> school drop-off problem by closing Melbourne Grove

> at one end i.e. it has actually encouraged parents

> to drive their children to school?

>

> Is it a problem at school times? Adding a school

> street to an already closed road seems ludicrous

> and seems completely counter to their

> protestations that they care about the shops on

> Melbourne Grove - I can't imagine this is going to

> help those shops one bit and likely drive more

> custom away.

>

> Does anyone get the sense the council hasn't got

> the first clue that they are doing?

>

> Peckham Rye closures get binned, the DV/EDG

> junction is made even worse with the huge bike

> lane (was this at the behest of Southwark cyclists

> per chance - they moaned that the cycle lane in

> the Peckham Rye recommendations was not wide

> enough and the council bowed down to their cycle

> paymasters....!!! ;-)) - all adds up to a comedy

> of errors and instills very little confidence in

> anyone that the council should be given these

> powers.

[Rockets]

Yes but that protection with wands means the junction no longer functions properly and is creating massive congestion and pollution problems. Do you not think in light of this the council should review the use of the wands?

BTW has the A205 or Lordship Lane been shut - complete gridlock on the eastern side of Lordship Lane tonight?

[Siduhe]

I was about to ask the same - Underhill and Lordship Lane are totally gridlocked down to Forest Hill but not clear why?

[dulwichfolk]

Probably one of these once in a lifetime road works/accidents we keep getting told to ignore when thinking about the traffic around dulwich