Melbourne grove shopkeeper set-up petition against road closures

[Rockets]

Closing this one, the message has been made, and there's plenty of similar threads - Admin

One of the shopkeepers on Melbourne Grove has set-up a petition against the road closures around their shop.

The link is below for those interested.

https://www.change.org/p/helen-hayes-help-us-not-to-get-road-closure-in-east-dulwich?utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=custom_url&recruited_by_id=b9ef0770-e198-11ea-a32a-a7c05e9e4c3f

[tiddles]

signed

[mockingbird]

I will sign but perhaps a mirror E-petition can also be replicated on Southwark's own petition site at

http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/mgepetitionlistdisplay.aspx?bcr=1

Petition scheme

A petition is a statement about a local issue, supported by the signatures of local residents or those directly affected. A member of the public or a councillor can present a petition at a local community council meeting, the cabinet, to other council committees or council assembly.

All petitions sent or presented to the council will receive an acknowledgement from the council within 10 clear working days of receipt.

So what is within 10 days? The Southwark AGM! Need to get signatures going quickly over the weekend though

http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=132&MId=6772&Ver=4

[Earl Aelfheah]

I'm fairly sure that businesses on Melbourne Grove will do better without the traffic.

[alice]

Your comment is a bit like your photos.

[Cyclemonkey]

Do a lot of people drive to Melbourne Grove to visit the shops there? I would assume most people walk.

[Rockets]

Cyclemonkey Wrote:

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> Do a lot of people drive to Melbourne Grove to

> visit the shops there? I would assume most people

> walk.

Well by the tone of the petition set up by the owner of Therapy on Melbourne Grove one suspects not. What you have to realise is that the businesses on Melbourne Grove are not high footfall businesses - their catchment area for customers tends to be much wider and so they rely on people travelling from across the area. Notice how along Melbourne Grove there have always been parking bays that allow, if I am not mistaken 30 minutes or one hour parking outside the shops - which suggests at some point the council acknowledged that these businesses needed parking spaces for their customers. Which, of course, would suggest that many of their customers use cars to get there.

Perhaps pop down to Melbourne Grove and ask some of them?

Rahrahrah - what makes you think the businesses will do better - and please do not quote that flawed council stat that people spend 40% more when they walk or cycle propaganda the council amplified during the CPZ consultation? Melbourne Grove has always been a bit of an outlier for shops in the area due to the lack of footfall so I can't see how this is going to help them.

[n dulwich northerner]

The congestion caused on E Dulwich Grove may deter whatever car-using customers approach from that direction, maybe stopping en route to/from Sainsburys. Meanwhile any car-using customers approaching from Dog Kennel Hill or Grove Vale have nowhere to park. There aren't many shops anyway, so they can just get on their bikes and find other jobs (irony).

[Jules-and-Boo]

are there cameras? or are there enforcement officers?

[ED Light]

I went down Melbourne today and was really surprised they?d double yellowed the short-duration parking bays close to the grove vale junction. Why? All they were there for was to help parking / custom for the local businesses. Bizarre.

[n dulwich northerner]

Or just logical? No point having those parking spaces because no-one's going to drive down there from ED Grove.

[dulwichfolk]

Maybe to help car/refuse trucks to turn around?

[dougiefreeman]

I just submitted a petition to the southwark council website - will post here once approved

[Spartacus]

How's this going ?

[FairTgirl]

Thank you so much for doing this. I am the owner of Fashion-Conscience store on the corner of Grove vale and Melbourne Grove and just posted about how locals can support our petition and the various reason why they should.

There are is so much more to this than whether our customers come via cars or not, which I can confirm they do, especially elderly or ill who are not able to walk, yes who come from further afield, people who currently are still fearful of using public transport with Covid and the obvious fact that if people drive past you they think of you when booking an appointment.

There is not only the businesses livelihoods at stake but the very high risk of increased traffic and thus pollution on ED Grove and Grove Vale as all cars will need to use these routes, the social injustice of why people living on the closed roads should be allowed to push pollution onto other residents and business and schools, and the manner in which Southwark has been able to do this with NO consulation or any data gathering or monitoring under a very dubious Covid social distancing premise.

I urge you to support our petition if you can. There are peoples livelihoods and health at stake.

Please Follow us on twitter @GroveReopen and please retweet our tweets to any local journalists

Southwark petition

http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/mgEPetitionDisplay.aspx?id=500000049

Petition

https://www.change.org/p/helen-hayes-help-us-to-stop-the-road-closures-in-east-dulwich?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_24177815_en-GB%3A1&recruited_by_id=99cb3070-eeab-11ea-842f-6bf2fee0f1e3&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initialto sign the petition.

You can also voice your views here

Streetspace East Dulwich : [eastdulwichstreetspace.commonplace.is]

Email your councillors below;

[email protected] - councillor now in charge of roads

[email protected] - new role Deputy Chair for Southwark Low Traffic

[email protected]

[email protected]

[email protected]

[email protected]

and

[email protected]

[email protected]

[northernmonkey]

I assume that those of you pushing this petition will also support me in my bid to have the following roads re-opened, as without these closures my assertion is that the traffic will flow much more freely around the local area:

Oglander Road: (remove paved area at Grove Vale end to allow a straight cut through up to Bellenden Road and beyond), Ondine Road : remove one way section- benefit as above

Coppleston Road: Make 2 way throughout

Bellenden Road: make 2 way throughout

Oakhurst Grove: remove bollards near junction with Kelmore Grove - to allow access through from East Dulwich Road and remove pressure from the Peckham Rye junction.

Milo Road- remove barriers to allow easy access from Lordship Lane through to the village

Friern Road- remove barriers to allow for alternative to getting stuck down the side of Peckham Rye.

I feel sure that if all these closures were reopened then the gridlock in the area would disappear.

[betternowthanthen]

I assume that those of you pushing this petition will also support me in my bid to have the following roads re-opened, as without these closures my assertion is that the traffic will flow much more freely around the local area:

Oglander Road: (remove paved area at Grove Vale end to allow a straight cut through up to Bellenden Road and beyond), Ondine Road : remove one way section- benefit as above

Coppleston Road: Make 2 way throughout

Bellenden Road: make 2 way throughout

Oakhurst Grove: remove bollards near junction with Kelmore Grove - to allow access through from East Dulwich Road and remove pressure from the Peckham Rye junction.

Milo Road- remove barriers to allow easy access from Lordship Lane through to the village

Friern Road- remove barriers to allow for alternative to getting stuck down the side of Peckham Rye.

I feel sure that if all these closures were reopened then the gridlock in the area would disappear.

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Yes I would support you, and same for getting rid of Champion Hill one way system, Please let me know!

[macutd]

if they put the barriers half way down the road. And got rid of the new double yellow lines. Maybe more people would use the shops

[Abe_froeman]

I would also support the reopening of those closed roads, but fear hat at this moment the council would use that campaing as a dilution of the message that these recent closures are utterly ill conceived and totally inappropriate.

[dulwichfolk]

Might be issues with refuse trucks with any closures in the middle of the road.

[march46]

dulwichfolk Wrote:

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> Might be issues with refuse trucks with any

> closures in the middle of the road.

Might be an issue with the middle of the road being a school entrance...reversing vehicles and children don't mix too well.

It's a shame an 'eco' shop is objecting to this so soon. It's less than a week since the planters were installed, Week 1 is too soon to make a rational assessment on the actual impact - the 'it will kill our business' talk is fear, fear of change (totally understandable given the tough trading climate). Give it time. Anyone driving to these shops still can.

[FairTgirl]

I would like to reiterate the below for those of you who agree that people should be consulted on these matters first.

Please sign our online petition, and email your local councillors to express your views. You can also express your views on the specific road closures via an app I have copied in below.

Please show us your support if you can. There are peoples livelihoods and health at stake.

Please Follow us on twitter @GroveReopen and please retweet our tweets to any local journalists

Petition

[chng.it] to sign the petition.

You can also voice your views here

Streetspace East Dulwich : [eastdulwichstreetspace.commonplace.is]

Email your councillors below;

[email protected]

[email protected]

[email protected]

[email protected]

[email protected]

and

[email protected]

[email protected]

[stecoward101]

Why can people not understand that access to Melbourne Grove is still available they (Local Authority) have simply blocked one way to stop it being a rat run. I think people are making things up to suit their arguments. It is disgraceful.

[JonnoJ]

Would people who want the street open for the sake of businesses, like their own street used as a rat run?

If you think about the wider picture, we need less car use in order to reduce the catastrophic consequences of global warming. This is a move towards reducing car use across the borough which is better for all of us. Less pollution and traffic.

[stecoward101]

Question: How are the small number of businesses located at the bottom of Melbourne Grove affected by the road closure. Their customers can still access their stores by using the other entrance to the street. Are they saying customers zooming down the street at 30 mph (it is a 20 mph zone) suddenly think I have to pull over I need some 2nd hand clothes or are doing an emergency stop because they need a facial (which I am guessing would require an appointment).

TBH I could see the coffee shop not wanting it closed but the rest of it is @rse.

Not sure why I am wasting my life on a sunny Sunday putting up this post so I will stop.