Local bargains? Over-pricing?

[Keef]

Costcutters, 6 Grolsch for a fiver... At 3am that is a bargain!!!!

[RosieH]

where that? when I've been to the all night shop on ED Road after hours, they charge a special after hours supplement (seems they make it up, but about 50%)

like Rob says, buying where and when I want (well maybe not where but the only place open) means I'm willing to pay a bit more, but if there's a cheaper offering

I always think Pretty Traditional is a bargain

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

I had a similar late night experience in the wee shop in East Dulwich Grove near Tesco Express. When I pointed out that they had no sign to that effect and it was illegal and I would report them to Trading Standards, they dropped the premium. No idea if it's legal or not, but my blustering seemed to work.

[beef]

Franglasia, here's something nasty about Cadburys for you (apart from the rotten quality of their product). They are in the processs of closing their only british factory, putting half the population of the west country on the dole, just so they can make a larger profit from your cocoa addiction by moving the whole shebang abroad! I'll never shop at somerfield for the same sort of reason, they have closed their main distribution centre in Bristol putting my cousin (18 years service) out of a job. Shop local, shop independant. http://www.tgwu.org.uk/Templates/News.asp?NodeID=93813&int1stParentNodeID=42516&int2ndParentNodeID=42516&Action=Display

[spadetownboy]

RosieH Wrote:

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> where that? when I've been to the all night shop

> on ED Road after hours, they charge a special

> after hours supplement (seems they make it up, but

> about 50%)

>

> like Rob says, buying where and when I want (well

> maybe not where but the only place open) means I'm

> willing to pay a bit more, but if there's a

> cheaper offering

>

> I always think Pretty Traditional is a bargain

after hours beer, i always remember the shop at the botton of dkh beside the bus-stop, it didnt open till about 11pm, but if it was late night beer,fags and a toke you were after it was the place to go.

[franglaisia]

What? Mr Original Cadbury must be turning in his Quakerly grave. That'll do. I can live without chocolate. Possibly.

beef Wrote:

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> Franglasia, here's something nasty about Cadburys

> for you (apart from the rotten quality of their

> product). They are in the processs of closing

> their only british factory, putting half the

> population of the west country on the dole, just

> so they can make a larger profit from your cocoa

> addiction by moving the whole shebang abroad! I'll

> never shop at somerfield for the same sort of

> reason, they have closed their main distribution

> centre in Bristol putting my cousin (18 years

> service) out of a job. Shop local, shop

> independant.

> http://www.tgwu.org.uk/Templates/News.asp?NodeID=9

> 3813&int1stParentNodeID=42516&int2ndParentNodeID=4

> 2516&Action=Display

[RosieH]

you'd think Mr Green and Black would be too (if he were dead, but he isn't), but he still makes a pretty penny out of Cadbury's filthy lucre (I think the word's "consultant")

[wee quinnie]

Not to mention Mr Cadbury's parrot

franglaisia Wrote:

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> What? Mr Original Cadbury must be turning in his

> Quakerly grave. That'll do. I can live without

> chocolate. Possibly.

>

> beef Wrote:

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> -----

> > Franglasia, here's something nasty about

> Cadburys

> > for you (apart from the rotten quality of their

> > product). They are in the processs of closing

> > their only british factory, putting half the

> > population of the west country on the dole,

> just

> > so they can make a larger profit from your

> cocoa

> > addiction by moving the whole shebang abroad!

> I'll

> > never shop at somerfield for the same sort of

> > reason, they have closed their main

> distribution

> > centre in Bristol putting my cousin (18 years

> > service) out of a job. Shop local, shop

> > independant.

> >

> http://www.tgwu.org.uk/Templates/News.asp?NodeID=9

>

> >

> 3813&int1stParentNodeID=42516&int2ndParentNodeID=4

>

> > 2516&Action=Display

[Christopher]

"...SE22 is now corporate lawyer and banker country - they are working in a US culture and increasingly living it - hence lots of people here for whom money is completely divorced from reality or value..."

Oh Jeez... get a grip.

You live in East Dulwich NOT Kensington...

Every one's in marketing / media sales - not corporate law. If they were earning that kind of money do you honestly think they'd be living in ED?

[eccentric]

> Piers says " And full selection of Green and

> Blacks. Excuse me must go shopping."

>

> Lots of places do not sell Green and Blacks

> anymore as they sold up and now are owned by

> cadburys or nestle, cant remember which

> (unethical)

For the record

G & B are now wholly owed by Cadbury but Cadburys do not make their products. The organic bars are made in Italy (check the label), truffles in Switzerland, and some of their organic eggs are made in the UK. G & B never owed a production plant they are a very clever marketing company. The founders now run Judges Bakery in Hastings. http://www.judgesbakery.com/who.php

[RosieH]

genius award-winning marketing - one fair trade product to create a "halo effect" across the whole brand - to be fair, the founder wasn't responsible for the great marketing. they got in a genuine bona fide marketing wizard. used to do their PR so felt terrifically aggrieved when they sold to Cadbury (in stages).

Also worked on Pret when they sold to McDonalds - come to think of it, all my good work turns to unethical shite

[Nero]

It's getting off topic, so I'll veer it back. The organic place is good, but do they sell Montezuma chocolate? It's British, independent and, to me, better tasting than Green and Black's. It's about the same price. You can get it at SMBS or online. Nero

[RosieH]

quite right, sorry, am ranting a lot today.

now SMBS - a lot of people rave about this place, but it's always struck me as not a place to find local bargains. in fact hideously expensive. but I know there are a lot of fans on here, so am I completely wrong?

[Cassius]

SMBS is not cheap but it does have some weird and wonderful things in there.

[franglaisia]

edited.

[dave & ailing]

"...SE22 is now corporate lawyer and banker

> country - they are working in a US culture and

> increasingly living it - hence lots of people here

> for whom money is completely divorced from reality

> or value..."

Despite the justifications, I still think this post is sh*te. Trying to compare Ed and Peckham with gated communities and suchlike in the US is just rubbish. And being lawyer working for a US firm automatically makes you pretentious, with no sense of the value of money? B*llocks.

"I used to live in a grounded, essentially harmonious, decent society" - I suspect you live in a cosy little world where nobody challenges your cliched prejudices.

[Jeremy]

I really don't think East Dulwich is overpriced... I'd say it's quite averagely priced by London standards. More expensive than a lot of SE London, but for obvious reasons.

[Christopher]

franglaisia Wrote:

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> Should one take it from your colourful blaspheming

> jazz talk that you came from over the Pond?

>

> Corporate partners live in Kensington, Notting

> Hill and Dulwich. But junior and even senior

> legal and banking associates, poor sausages, are

> being driven to settle in SE22. Know two who

> bought last summer and a couple of couples looking

> at the moment. And they are all effectively US

> lawyers/analysts/whatever because they work for US

> firms. That's because all the English law firms,

> very notably, have "merged" with US ones. Divided

> by a common language: UK English: merger - a

> marriage of equals; US English: merger - gobble

> gobble, spit spit.

>

> Does it matter? Yes, and I don't want to get over

> it. I used to live in a grounded, essentially

> harmonious, decent society. Now I can see a little

> US within 1 mile of my home - SE15 poor and black

> and SE22, now overwhelmingly white, hysterically

> overpriced, pretentious and infested by Foxtons.

> No doubt SE22 will crop up in the next editions of

> the ex pat guides that list the bits of London

> where corporate US can happily descend.

???

Not from over the pond, no. Yorkshireman that has lived in London for 16 years - the last 8 of those in Dulwich (and 2 1/2 previous to that in Camberwell).

The original proposition that there are "lots of people here for whom money is completely divorced from reality or value" is just utter rubbish... Just cos there's a Foxtons on the corner doesn't make ED the new Hampstead.

Oh, and I think we could live without your thinly veiled racism against Americans too.

[BJL]

Just out of interest, franglaisia - which parts of America have you visited?

[Fingerboard]

It is not true that most English law firms have been taken over by U.S. ones. It is true that most large English firms have offices in the U.S. (just as many large U.S. firms have offices here) and there have been some mergers, but it is not at all true to say that there has been any kind of one-way takeover. All of the "magic circle" have their largest offices in London. There are certainly corporate lawyers living in East Dulwich and many of them like a good bargain as much as the next man.

[*Bob*]

Streatham 4 Bed Houses ?488,668

East Dulwich 4 Bed Houses ?671,548

Tooting 4 Bed Houses ?689,328

Brixton 4 Bed Houses ?730,001

Mmmm.. I expect we are getting an influx of corporate bankers and lawyers - either moving a step-up from Streatham, or downsizing from Tooting or Brixton.

Get real.

[franglaisia]

Nero Wrote:

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> It's getting off topic, so I'll veer it back. The

> organic place is good, but do they sell Montezuma

> chocolate? It's British, independent and, to me,

> better tasting than Green and Black's. It's about

> the same price. You can get it at SMBS or online.

> Nero

They only have one shop in London, at Spitalfields. Now this could be one that East Dulwich needs: http://www.montezumas.co.uk/. Even forgive founders for being ex lawyers.

[tommy]

Bargain - any fruit and veg along Peckham Rye or the roads off it - compared to a supermarket.

[iamyamyam]

Beef,

You're wrong. Cadburys has at least 2 factories in the uk, bournville and worcester. Closing the bristol factory is rubbish but they still do a lot of manufacturing in the uk, more than any other confectioner i believe. They were also founded on an ethical, for the time (Quaker), basis and still donate a lot of money to the communities they work in. I agree with you 100% that we should try and keep our manufacturing base which is why i try and buy products made in britain

[fairygirl]

Hope and greenwood do british made and loads of organic! Love it