Pubs In England might need to Close again.

[JohnL]

Not sure Boris doesn't have some kind of post-covid long haul thing. There was a nasty rash on his neck last week and he seems to be doing less and less.

Lots of last years high profile cabinet members have gone quiet too, It's all Grant Shapps and Gavin Williamson at present with Sunak appearing occasionally.

[Sephiroth]

you could well be right JohnL - although with Boris, one gets the impression that even without the virus, he isn't exactly a grafter at the best of times

[seenbeen]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> you could well be right JohnL - although with

> Boris, one gets the impression that even without

> the virus, he isn't exactly a grafter at the best

> of times

Why should Boris keep several dogs and bark himself? He has masses of experience and did not win the 2019 election so comprehensively without having appealed to the majority. The relevant cabinet ministers- i.e. Gavin Williamson -Education, and Grant Shapps- Transport to keep people on the move- are important after the devastating impact of the bloody covid 19 which is UNPRECEDENTED....and since you Boris naysayers are NOT part of the solution you are part of the problem imo.

And how do you know if Boris is a grafter? Have you got covert cctv in his office or something?

[Alan Medic]

How many COBRA meeting did he miss? What might have been more important? Where's the 'oven ready' Brexit now?

Johnson is a charlatan.

[Spartacus]

seenbeen Wrote:

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> Have you got covert cctv in his office or something?

That would sure beat the current reruns of soap operas that are being shown at the moment 😆

What channel is it on ?

Boris : I see we have yet another letter from Keir

Secretary : shall I file it with the rest sir ?

Boris : yes but can you ask building maintenance to check the joists in the letter room to see if they can take the weight of all his letters

Pretti : I've got a plan to stop immigrants, disused sea mines

Boris : can we get away with it without a letter from Keir ?

Pretti : we can blame the Germans for laying them during the war ...

Duff Duff Duff closing credits theme starts

(Edited because keir doesn't follow the I before E rules ... )

[j.a.]

seenbeen Wrote:

>

> Why should Boris keep several dogs and bark

> himself?

Because at a time like this, leadership matters. Hiding away gives the wrong impression.

He has masses of experience

Debatable. He was a 'reasonable' constituency MP (albeit one who made sure he was out of the country during a crucial vote on Heathrow runway, which is in his constituency), but had a reputation for laziness at City Hall. He had to be forced to come back from holiday during the London riots, for example.

and did not

> win the 2019 election so comprehensively without

> having appealed to the majority.

Please don't underestimate the rank stupidity of Corbyn et al in that election. They threw away the Red Wall because they failed to understand the feelings of natural Labour voters on a number of issues, not all of which were Brexit-related. A Conservative victory was never in doubt, but don't go thinking Johnson would have done as well as he did if Corbyn wasn't such a total fool.

The relevant

> cabinet ministers- i.e. Gavin Williamson

> -Education,

The Gavin Williamson currently f@*?ing up the future of young people from deprived areas while advancing that of those already in privileged positions because of the algorithm they used to 'moderate' A level grades? That Gavin Williamson? You think he's doing ok? The Gavin WIlliamson who isn't giving teachers any kind of solid information on how they reopen schools in THREE WEEKS TIME when there's a nasty virus going around? That Gavin Williamson? Ok chum...

and Grant Shapps- Transport to keep

> people on the move-

The Grant Schapps who is obsessed with aviation and is currently looking to cut huge swathes of rural train services that will in all likelihood never return? That Grant Schapps? The Grant Schapps who is making it more expensive for pensioners and children to travel, just so the Tories can cripple TFL for their own ends? That Grant Schapps? Ok chum...

are important

Transport and Education are not the Foreign Office or Home Office. Do you see those ministers popping up? No. Do you know why? It's because Patel and Raab made such utter twats of themselves during the lockdown that they aren't allowed anywhere near press conferences.

All the more reason why Johnson should be at the forefront.

after the

> devastating impact of the bloody covid 19 which is

> UNPRECEDENTED....and since you Boris naysayers are

> NOT part of the solution you are part of the

> problem imo.

So..."you're either with us or against us". Well, apart from the fact that it's a silly position to take, I'd suggest it's also nonsense, but I suspect you know that. Whatever happened to nuance and considered thought?

> And how do you know if Boris is a grafter? Have

> you got covert cctv in his office or something?

He has quite the reputation for not being 'across the details' and a certain amount of laziness. Now, I'll be the first to admit that I hope the pandemic has knocked some sense into him, but when experienced MP's are calling him incapable of running a whelk stall, and former bosses describe him as utterly lazy, and it's widely known that he was felt to be the laziest foreign secretary we've ever had (though I appreciate there's a certain amount of "it's common knowledge down Feathers" about that statement, though I trust my sources), then yes, I feel there's grounds for keeping a keen eye on whether our current leaders are actually doing a decent job.

I have to say that thus far I'm not convinced about how they will be when Covid flares up again in a couple of months. And it will. To quote the CEO of a major London hospital - "Right now you could lick the pavement in London and not get Covid. Enjoy it while it lasts, because it won't last."

[exdulwicher]

Sky News went to a couple of pubs in Manchester this week and weren't impressed by quality of name taking or social distancing (or alternatively purposely made the pubs look rather bad if you see a conspiracy).

There have been a lot of people called Mickey Mouse and other "hilarious" names going drinking in pubs. Basically, it's a complete farce - an awful lot of names, numbers and email addresses given have been fake. And that's before you take into account the fact that our "world-beating" contact tracing system is only "world-beating" if the criteria is "worst in the world".

All of that was secondhand via a mate in medical research modelling and statistics. I don't know the exact job that Blah Blah on here does but he/she is the obvious expert on it and perhaps has some more info.

[Spartacus]

If people are putting their names down as "Mickey Mouse" then they are idiots , whilst they may not want to be identified what if "daffy duck" who was also drinking in the pub tests positive for Covid just after, Mickey couldn't be traced so goes on to infect his family and as a result his granny who was shielded catches covid and dies slowly and painfully alone and afraid.

Whilst it's a made up scenario, that's the potential result of the crass stupidity employed by so many so called educated people.

[JohnL]

I assumed at the start that they would want to see your drivers licence or such and keep a note of it electronically or physically and if you said your name was mickey Mouse you'd be escorted to the door.

[pk]

seenbeen Wrote:

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> after the devastating impact of the bloody covid 19 which is

> UNPRECEDENTED....and since you Boris naysayers are

> NOT part of the solution you are part of the

> problem imo.

>

so what is it that you are doing to be part of 'the solution'? (and what is the problem that you think you're solving?)

[KidKruger]

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> And how do you know if Boris is a grafter? Have you got covert cctv in his office or something?

What has Johnson ever done ? Please list his achievements here (not his titles and positions he's held, but things he has actually done).

He's a known slacker, doesn't own responsibility, is disingenuous, duplicitous, and has no moral compass.

Arguably he's in the perfect profession for his personality.

But you want to make him out as what ? A caring, loyal, patriotic PM with a masterplan for the salvation of the UK citizens ?

Goo luck with that !

[exdulwicher]

I assumed at the start that they would want to see your drivers licence or such and keep a note of it electronically or physically and if you said your name was mickey Mouse you'd be escorted to the door.

Depends on the pub which is part of what that Sky investigation in Manchester was trying to uncover.

I went into a pub in Kennington a few weeks ago and they had a QR code which you scanned with your phone, it opened a single-page website and more or less self-populated it with the details from the phone (obviously your phone is signed into your Google or Apple account and can self-complete forms if prompted).

Took about 15 seconds from start to finish, no need for pens / third party assistance / bits of paper etc and the webpage had https on it indicating it was secure.

But I've heard of a couple of places with just a strip of paper: name, phone no, date you were there and you could write any old crap down, no-one to really check it. All sorts of potential issues there; firstly people writing down false info but also things like data protection, secure disposal of the info after 14 days and so on.

Maybe all the fake info stuff is why Manchester is still under tighter lockdown, perhaps the fake names / lack of tracing is coming back to bite them. It'd be interesting to see.

[Blah Blah]

Rate of new cases is up almost 50% on two days ago. It takes about four weeks for rises in new infections to show after easing of lockdown measures, hence having to look at what changed four weeks ago to get some sense of the causes. If this trend continues over the next 7-14 days, Boris is going to have some decisions to make. Theaters and other high density confined spaces are due to open this week, with social distancing, but I sadly can't see them being open long.

Edited to add that the figures are 1,441 new cases today, compared to 1,009 new cases two days ago. Even though they are small figures, it is the exponential growth that is the issue.

[OutOfFocus]

> the webpage had https on it

> indicating it was secure.

>

indicating it MIGHT BE was secure

[diable rouge]

seenbeen Wrote:

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> Why should Boris keep several dogs and bark

> himself?

Robert Harris, author...

Prime Ministers invariably shape their governments in their own image. This blustering, bumbling amateurishness is not temporary. It will go on as long as Johnson is in No 10.

[DulwichFox]

It could of been Worse..

Corbyn could of of got into Power.

[Blah Blah]

You say that DF, but a Corbyn Government would also have been hit right away with this pandemic. Have you forgotten how much money Sunak has had to borrow over the past six months? Makes the Labour manifesto now look like chicken feed. No government would have had time for anything else but this pandemic and all its impacts.

[????]

whilst that's true BB, a Labour government under Corbyn with would have put massive strings attached to any business supported eg workers on boards, governemnt shareholding and nationalised vast swathes of industry under the cloak of Covid. What we have now is temporarily nationalisation, thank god, and even this is going to be paid for for years by us the taxpayer, and our kids.

[JohnL]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> seenbeen Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

>

> > Why should Boris keep several dogs and bark

> > himself?

>

> Robert Harris, author...

>

> Prime Ministers invariably shape their governments

> in their own image. This blustering, bumbling

> amateurishness is not temporary. It will go on as

> long as Johnson is in No 10.

The 'A' Level algorithm is a true reflection of Cummings IMHO. The fireplace salesman doesn't know whats happening.

[Spartacus]

Johnl , what's that got to so with pubs ?

[diable rouge]

Have I Got News For You, satirical show...

As the government faces mounting criticism for its handling of the A-level results fiasco, Test and Trace staff are asked to focus their attentions on trying to locate Boris Johnson.

[JohnL]

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> Johnl , what's that got to so with pubs ?

Not much - I think I might have been day dreaming.

On the pubs front: A south London Wetherspoons has been mentioned today as being a bit overcrowded.

https://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/18656358.south-london-covid-concerns-raised-wetherspoon-pubs/

[Blah Blah]

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> whilst that's true BB, a Labour government under

> Corbyn with would have put massive strings

> attached to any business supported eg workers on

> boards, governemnt shareholding and nationalised

> vast swathes of industry under the cloak of Covid.

> What we have now is temporarily nationalisation,

> thank god, and even this is going to be paid for

> for years by us the taxpayer, and our kids.

That's a huge stretch. While you might like to entertain the idea that a Corbyn government would have held business to ransom for the money bailed out, no government would ever have gotten away with that. Why? Because any legislation like that (and it WOULD need legislation) would have to have pass both the House and Lords. It is baseless nonsense.

[????]

Why would it need legislation? They could say Take it or leave it? If you want support here are our terms - workers on boards; support in return for equity...they had pretty similar ideas in their manifesto, Do banks need legislation to bail out businesses? Bizzarre claim, and baseless nonsense on your part.

[JohnL]

I work with German co-workers and they have workers councils that have a lot more say in the governance of the company than anything we have.

Doesn't seem to do Germany much harm although it can draw changes out as they need to consult with the workers council.