Keeping ED safe - masks in shops (staff and shoppers)

[seenbeen]

n dulwich northerner Wrote:

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> In Sainsburys DKH about 9am today, almost everyone

> wore masks and I only noticed 3 not doing so. I

> wish Sainsburys would refuse them entry - let them

> go hungry until they get the message.

People who have breathing problems like asthma for example cannot wear masks and should download the badge

https://disabilityhorizons.com/2020/06/face-mask-exemptions-how-to-ensure-you-dont-get-fined/

I am not exempt but I cannot wear the cotton masks as they are too closely woven but I can wear disposables or t-shirt material.

[n dulwich northerner]

seenbeen Wrote:

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> People who have breathing problems like asthma for

> example cannot wear masks and should download the

> badge

> https://disabilityhorizons.com/2020/06/face-mask-e

> xemptions-how-to-ensure-you-dont-get-fined/

>

> I am not exempt but I cannot wear the cotton masks

> as they are too closely woven but I can wear

> disposables or t-shirt material.

I have asthma myself and don't really believe it is a genuine excuse. If it is so serious, you stay at home, get home delivery, do click and collect. The more excuses they tolerate, the worse for the rest of us?

[Penguin68]

If it is so serious, you stay at home, get home delivery, do click and collect.

For many people, lock-down has been seriously mentally disturbing, particularly for those on their own at home - balancing continuing to stay in isolation with getting out to see some life is difficult, certainly, but to condemn those who have underlying conditions to continuing imprisonment is simply cruel. I am sure those who can't wear masks for medical reasons (which in themselves make them more vulnerable) will have thought very hard about going out - but maybe their mental health needs are now trumping their physical health needs.

Of course there will be people who claim disabilities they don't have. But to punish the disabled because there are able bodied cheats is I think wholly wrong. If you are worried about mixing with the unmasked, perhaps you could stay at home, get home delivery, do click and collect. If that's all so easy.

[Pugwash]

We have purchased face shields to wear as I rely most of the time on lip reading and find this difficult when husband (and others ) are wearing a mask. I have no problems wearing masks but find that I have to take off glasses and hearing aid to put them on. Hubby now wears a face shield and I can lip read him perfectly now.

[n dulwich northerner]

Penguin68 Wrote:

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> If it is so serious, you stay at home, get home

> delivery, do click and collect.

>

> For many people, lock-down has been seriously

> mentally disturbing, particularly for those on

> their own at home - balancing continuing to stay

> in isolation with getting out to see some life is

> difficult, certainly, but to condemn those who

> have underlying conditions to continuing

> imprisonment is simply cruel. I am sure those who

> can't wear masks for medical reasons (which in

> themselves make them more vulnerable) will have

> thought very hard about going out - but maybe

> their mental health needs are now trumping their

> physical health needs.

>

> Of course there will be people who claim

> disabilities they don't have. But to punish the

> disabled because there are able bodied cheats is I

> think wholly wrong. If you are worried about

> mixing with the unmasked, perhaps you could stay

> at home, get home delivery, do click and collect.

> If that's all so easy.

It's not punishing anyone to slip on a mask or to be asked - nicely of course - to explain their reasons for not doing so. And to use your own arguments, doesn't excluding "able bodied cheats" help make these other folk and the rest of us more confident to use the supermarket?

[dontbesilly]

I had to tell a nosy, do gooder woman in Co-op to mind her own beeswax when she commented on me not wearing a mask over the weekend. I consider wearing a mask completely pointless (i think i probably already had corona so am now immune) and awfully uncomfortable. If shops are not going to enforce it and are happy to let me in and spend my money, then i will continue to not wear a mask. Woebetide the next busybody who comments on it.

[JohnL]

dontbesilly Wrote:

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> I had to tell a nosy, do gooder woman in Co-op to

> mind her own beeswax when she commented on me not

> wearing a mask over the weekend. I consider

> wearing a mask completely pointless (i think i

> probably already had corona so am now immune) and

> awfully uncomfortable. If shops are not going to

> enforce it and are happy to let me in and spend my

> money, then i will continue to not wear a mask.

> Woebetide the next busybody who comments on it.

It all depends on your individual body and immune system - you may or may not be immune.

If you are really unlucky even a mild bout may have weakened your heart/kidneys and a second bout may complete the work. I'm always a late adopter in things with danger so I'm waiting to see what happens to other people before taking the risk - I am going out so infrequently a mask is no problem when I do.

Mind my plan requires others to take a risk so I can know.

[n dulwich northerner]

Good for her, and who knows whether you are still immune or are contagious? Other European governments with fewer deaths/infections mandate masks so it might just be a bright idea to heed their advice rather than our own Covid-addled government's yeah-no-but-yeah "strategy"?

As for the Coop, they've explained why they are failing to enforce the regulations:

"Jo Whitfield, who runs the Co-op?s 2,600 grocery stores, said staff already received abuse from shoppers on a daily basis and would not be challenging customers over the matter.

?We?ll have in-store signage on the new rules around face coverings but we are clear that shop workers should not enforce the new legislation,? Whitfield said.

?On a daily basis they face abuse, threatening behaviour and even physical assault. Our own figures show that during the Covid-19 crisis such instances have risen and enforcing the wearing of face masks could be another flashpoint.?

You can't ask a shelf stacker or someone on checkout to confront people and turn them away. Maybe the Coop doesn't have a security guy?

[drewd]

Don'tBeSilly, What's uncomfortable is a ventilator shoved down your throat because you can't breathe on your own. Congratulations to the "do-gooder" in Coop for at least showing you that your selfish behaviour does not go unnoticed.

[dontbesilly]

drewd Wrote:

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> Don'tBeSilly, What's uncomfortable is a ventilator

> shoved down your throat because you can't breathe

> on your own. Congratulations to the "do-gooder" in

> Coop for at least showing you that your selfish

> behaviour does not go unnoticed.

I dont care if people notice, but they ought to not speak to me as they will get told exactly where to go. If the people in danger of coronavirus (those over 60 and/or with underlying health conditions) insist on putting themselves in danger by going to shops, then there is not much we can do to help them. They can pick up coronavirus just from touching anything in there. Perhaps the shops should just ban these people from entering and let the younger generation- myself included, carry on living their life as normal.

[n dulwich northerner]

> Perhaps the shops should just ban these people from entering and let the younger generation- myself included, carry on living their life as normal.

No, they should expect you to obey this law like any other, and let you go hungry until you do.

[NewWave]

dontbesilly Wrote:

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> drewd Wrote:

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> > Don'tBeSilly, What's uncomfortable is a

> ventilator

> > shoved down your throat because you can't

> breathe

> > on your own. Congratulations to the "do-gooder"

> in

> > Coop for at least showing you that your selfish

> > behaviour does not go unnoticed.

>

>

> I dont care if people notice, but they ought to

> not speak to me as they will get told exactly

> where to go. If the people in danger of

> coronavirus (those over 60 and/or with underlying

> health conditions) insist on putting themselves in

> danger by going to shops, then there is not much

> we can do to help them. They can pick up

> coronavirus just from touching anything in there.

> Perhaps the shops should just ban these people

> from entering and let the younger generation-

> myself included, carry on living their life as

> normal.

I cant believe you are not a troll and actually mean what you are actually posting here.

Do me a favour a post a picture of yourself on here so I can personally go up to you if I see you in one of the shops I go to (or on the train for that matter) and scream as loudly as possible at you for putting others lives in danger by refusing to wear a mask.

I am over 60 and I work in a shop..I work in a shop because if i didn't go to work I wouldn't be able to live.

Read up on Covid..it is not only the over 60's or those with underlying health issues that die or become seriously ill with the virus.

Also there is NO guarantee that if you had it you are now immune or indeed that any form of immunity lasts longer than 3 months. Plus virus's evolve you could be immune to one strain but not the other.

Your attitude sucks...do you SERIOUSLY think any of us like wearing a mask? do you seriously think that shop workers such as myself enjoy wearing them for sometimes as long as 12 hours a day?

NO..I wear a mask to protect my loved ones (one of whom has asthma the other very elderly), I wear a mask to protect other workers and commuters.

I really cant believe you're not a troll but if you're not...I pity you.

life must be very lonely with an attitude like yours.

[dontbesilly]

NewWave Wrote:

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> dontbesilly Wrote:

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> > drewd Wrote:

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> > > Don'tBeSilly, What's uncomfortable is a

> > ventilator

> > > shoved down your throat because you can't

> > breathe

> > > on your own. Congratulations to the

> "do-gooder"

> > in

> > > Coop for at least showing you that your

> selfish

> > > behaviour does not go unnoticed.

> >

> >

> > I dont care if people notice, but they ought to

> > not speak to me as they will get told exactly

> > where to go. If the people in danger of

> > coronavirus (those over 60 and/or with

> underlying

> > health conditions) insist on putting themselves

> in

> > danger by going to shops, then there is not

> much

> > we can do to help them. They can pick up

> > coronavirus just from touching anything in

> there.

> > Perhaps the shops should just ban these people

> > from entering and let the younger generation-

> > myself included, carry on living their life as

> > normal.

>

> I cant believe you are not a troll and actually

> mean what you are actually posting here.

> Do me a favour a post a picture of yourself on

> here so I can personally go up to you if I see you

> in one of the shops I go to (or on the train for

> that matter) and scream as loudly as possible at

> you for putting others lives in danger by refusing

> to wear a mask.

> I am over 60 and I work in a shop..I work in a

> shop because if i didn't go to work I wouldn't be

> able to live.

> Read up on Covid..it is not only the over 60's or

> those with underlying health issues that die or

> become seriously ill with the virus.

> Also there is NO guarantee that if you had it you

> are now immune or indeed that any form of immunity

> lasts longer than 3 months. Plus virus's evolve

> you could be immune to one strain but not the

> other.

> Your attitude sucks...do you SERIOUSLY think any

> of us like wearing a mask? do you seriously think

> that shop workers such as myself enjoy wearing

> them for sometimes as long as 12 hours a day?

> NO..I wear a mask to protect my loved ones (one of

> whom has asthma the other very elderly), I wear a

> mask to protect other workers and commuters.

> I really cant believe you're not a troll but if

> you're not...I pity you.

> life must be very lonely with an attitude like

> yours.

Scream as loudly as possible? Wow, you're quite the valiant do gooder.

If you work in M&S or Co-op on Lordship Lane, can you please explain why none of the staff wear masks and never had during this entire pandemic?

Masks make hardly any difference- our own government told us that long ago. It simply makes old/vulnerable people more reassured and confident (falsely) about leaving the house, and contributing to our economy through work or spending, like our government wants.

[rachp]

I don't know if don't be silly is just a vile person on a vile troll- not sure it matters. The callous attitude shown with no empathy towards people in genuine distress and crisis is too much. During the lockdown, I helped out an 84 year old lady who has no family, no access to the internet, no fridge and no freezer. She basically had no idea how to feed herself unless she made regular trips to the supermarket. She was well aware that she was putting her own life in danger but also incredibly anxious that she was also potentially doing something to put others at risk by getting ill and adding to the strain on the NHS. How would reading some of the comments here make her feel I wonder? In this sense, it's lucky she doesn't have access to the internet.

[dontbesilly]

I would expect an 84 year old to not understand the internet- but no fridge or freezer? Pull the other one. i get the point you are making, but theres no need to exaggerate to win sympathy. Luckily there seemed to be plenty of people to help out the vulnerable and needy during the worst of the crisis, including yourself it would seem with the aforementioned lady. It was nice to hear, although a friend of mine cheekily messaged the number on one of the help flyers that came through the door, saying he was self isolating and got a neighbour to do all his shopping for him, when he was 100% fit as a fiddle!

[seenbeen]

dontbesilly Wrote:

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> I would expect an 84 year old to not understand

> the internet- but no fridge or freezer? Pull the

> other one. i get the point you are making, but

> theres no need to exaggerate to win sympathy.

> Luckily there seemed to be plenty of people to

> help out the vulnerable and needy during the worst

> of the crisis, including yourself it would seem

> with the aforementioned lady. It was nice to hear,

> although a friend of mine cheekily messaged the

> number on one of the help flyers that came through

> the door, saying he was self isolating and got a

> neighbour to do all his shopping for him, when he

> was 100% fit as a fiddle!

So that lowlife is a FRIEND of yours- says it all really.

[Sue]

seenbeen Wrote:

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> dontbesilly Wrote:

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> > I would expect an 84 year old to not understand

> > the internet- but no fridge or freezer? Pull

> the

> > other one. i get the point you are making, but

> > theres no need to exaggerate to win sympathy.

> > Luckily there seemed to be plenty of people to

> > help out the vulnerable and needy during the

> worst

> > of the crisis, including yourself it would seem

> > with the aforementioned lady. It was nice to

> hear,

> > although a friend of mine cheekily messaged the

> > number on one of the help flyers that came

> through

> > the door, saying he was self isolating and got

> a

> > neighbour to do all his shopping for him, when

> he

> > was 100% fit as a fiddle!

>

> So that lowlife is a FRIEND of yours- says it all

> really.

dontbesilly is a troll, best ignored. A reaction like yours is just what trolls love.

[Pugwash]

We also know an elderly person who until lockdown did not have a fridge or freezer. She moved into a HA flat from a private rental which had inadequate electrical sockets. She moved to the new flat with the fridge which later 'died'. despite offers of help to take her to shops to purchase new fridge. she declined as felt that since she was able to go out daily to do local shopping. It was only by chance during lockdown she commented to a sales assistant that she had neither fridge or freezer, and was immediately contacted by someone who was getting rid of a fridge freezer. This kind couple installed it in her new flat free of charge.

[rachp]

Pugwash Wrote:

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> We also know an elderly person who until lockdown

> did not have a fridge or freezer. She moved into a

> HA flat from a private rental which had inadequate

> electrical sockets. She moved to the new flat with

> the fridge which later 'died'. despite offers of

> help to take her to shops to purchase new fridge.

> she declined as felt that since she was able to go

> out daily to do local shopping. It was only by

> chance during lockdown she commented to a sales

> assistant that she had neither fridge or freezer,

> and was immediately contacted by someone who was

> getting rid of a fridge freezer. This kind couple

> installed it in her new flat free of charge.

Yes, similar story. I met her looking very confused in the shop as she was trying to work out what she could buy that would last a few days without refrigeration. Through nothing more than posting on a mutual aid site on facebook, some lovely people offered up a fridge and someone else delivered it and installed it for her. The crisis truly did bring out the best and worst in people.

[NewWave]

rachp Wrote:

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> Pugwash Wrote:

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> > We also know an elderly person who until

> lockdown

> > did not have a fridge or freezer. She moved into

> a

> > HA flat from a private rental which had

> inadequate

> > electrical sockets. She moved to the new flat

> with

> > the fridge which later 'died'. despite offers

> of

> > help to take her to shops to purchase new

> fridge.

> > she declined as felt that since she was able to

> go

> > out daily to do local shopping. It was only by

> > chance during lockdown she commented to a sales

> > assistant that she had neither fridge or

> freezer,

> > and was immediately contacted by someone who

> was

> > getting rid of a fridge freezer. This kind

> couple

> > installed it in her new flat free of charge.

>

>

> Yes, similar story. I met her looking very

> confused in the shop as she was trying to work out

> what she could buy that would last a few days

> without refrigeration. Through nothing more than

> posting on a mutual aid site on facebook, some

> lovely people offered up a fridge and someone else

> delivered it and installed it for her. The crisis

> truly did bring out the best and worst in people.

So true...sorts the wheat from the chaff doesn't it?

At times like these little acts of human kindness makes such a difference.

[AylwardS]

Don?tbesilly must be a troll but unfortunately there are others that share the views expressed. On the basis someone may read and reflect.

Face coverings / masks that most of us wear offer protection to OTHERS. Would you want to have the virus but feel fine and pass it on unknowingly? That aside its now law that they should be worn in shops - not everyone agrees with every law but they are there for a reason. An MP said its common sense / courtesy to wear a mask and then it became law and not everyone does - what does that say? Wearing a face covering shows you are willing to do your bit - I doubt there is anyone who finds masks comfortable to wear or who would choose to but is it that much trouble?

Staff wearing them - each shop will have its own approach and staff may not get a free choice. If staff are behind screens masks won?t be needed.

?let the younger generation- myself included, carry on living their life as normal.? Now there are reports that its believed the younger generation may be transmitting / catching Covid19 more. We?d all like to live life as normal but to do that we need to follow some restrictions or we risk going back to lockdown restrictions for all. Is that worth not wearing a mask for a short while?

Good to hear of people helping others. That?s been a plus of this situation.

[AylwardS]

A question for anyone who thinks wearing masks or any other measures we?re asked to take are not for them. Do you want to go into a local lockdown?

Everyone in the North West, Luton and Leicester is affected by the restrictions that came in at very short notice. Not wearing a mask, not following social distancing, meeting with more people than guidance says has consequences for more than just you.

I?ve seen all of the above locally and it won?t matter if someone hasn?t left their house, has used Click and Collect for their shopping if a local lockdown is put in place it will affect them as well as those who met in bigger groups or played football. The saying ?No man is an island? comes to mind - no one can stop this virus on their own but together we can.

Next time you go to do something and ignore the law / guidance think ?What if I can?t do this tomorrow??

[n dulwich northerner]

As I said before that I'd love shops to turn away lawbreakers and let them go hungry, I must add a quick "don't feed the troll".

AylwardS Wrote:

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> Don?tbesilly must be a troll