A demand for botox in East Dulwich?

[Jessie]

and i've known men have botox! it's not just women

[civilservant]

it's sold to men mainly as an aid against excessive perspiration

thoguh of course they may also get it injected into their faces

[KidKruger]

Presumably in 1000 years they'll be coming across our (now) ancient graves and they'll be able to identify the skeleton as female by the still pert rubber titties and Botox rubber lips ?

Save archaeologists a lot of bother that will.

So not an entirely useless activity after all.

[Gidget]

KK, what are Botox rubber lips? Botox is not rubber.

[RosieH]

"pert rubber titties"?

I think I'm going to throw up.

[Huguenot]

Botox is a lethal neurological toxin that prevents muscles from working.

When injected in small quantities into the face it paralyses facial muscles and prevents your face from doing that nice crinkly thing when you smile, or any other expression for that matter.

Hence less wrinkly, but also less able to communicate anything through your face and that weird plastic look.

Nice eh?

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

My dad had botox in his rectum for a bowel complaint. Makes you think twice about sticking it in your face!

[Saffron]

No, not really. People have been using haemorrhoid creams on their eyes for years. It's a "model's secret" for reducing puffy eye bags.

[civilservant]

I'm really interested to see that most of the comment about cosmetic interventions from male posters is negative.

So either the women getting botox/collagen/filler treatments are doing it for themselves - or the blokes are hypocrites.

Or are male forumites the last true feminists!

[Huguenot]

Hasn't it been generally accepted for years that a significant pressure on female appearance is generated by competitive pressures from other women, not men...?

Anecdotally, in my meagre experience with women, it's only when other women get involved that everything goes nuts on the apperance stakes.

[womanofdulwich]

;-) there is a lot of truth in that.

[El Pibe]

I didn't think this had anything to do with pressure to look good but, given our society's denial of mortality, a misguided attempt at staving off death.

I wouldn't do botox myself, I'm just going to build a large quadrahedral polygonic structure in the back garden and put my belongings in there along with a dead servant or two.

[*Bob*]

This just in.. People Still Trying All Sorts Of Weird Stuff In Vain Hope Of Looking Younger For Longer Shocker.. read all abaht it.

[????]

Why is everyone talking about girls/woman as the key market? I was at a mate's party a whilst back where there were a fair few gay guys and they ALL swore by it and we're trying to talk me into it (Botox). There's your most profitbale niche market.

[maxxi]

El Pibe Wrote:

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> I didn't think this had anything to do with

> pressure to look good but, given our society's

> denial of mortality, a misguided attempt at

> staving off death.

Ah, so maybe we should skip botox and go straight to formaldehyde. You get a bit of a shine sometimes but that can be put down to a youthful glow.

[civilservant]

because girls and women form >50% of the demographic

as for gay guys, well - wasn't it rumoured to be 1 in ten? Anyway, no one still knows for sure. Which is why it's being touted as the ultimate anti-perspirant for men, gay/straight/whatever.

the clever thing about Botox is that once you've got 'em hooked, they feel that they HAVE to come back for more at pretty regular intervals. So you get a captive market. As I've said before and I will repeat now and ad nauseam, very similar marketing techniques are used for heroin and tobacco.

I like the formaldehyde suggestion. The problem is that you've got to keep the lid on or it evaporates. And then thre's a kind of pickling effect, and the smell...

On second thought, maxxi, you'll have to think again

[Jessie]

there's a marketing technique for heroin??

[LondonMix]

My thoughts exactly. Heroin really sells itself, no?

Jessie Wrote:

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> there's a marketing technique for heroin??

[Saffron]

I've never been addicted to tobacco. I've probably smoked less than 20 cigarettes in my entire life. I can have one and not want another. Same with heroin. Not tried Botox yet. It'll probably be ok as long as I don't mix them up and try to smoke my Botox while injecting nicotine. As for the heroin...

[El Pibe]

"there's a marketing technique for heroin??"

I think she's called Kate Moss

[Jeremy]

Saffron Wrote:

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> Same with heroin.

Yeah, me too. I can pretty much take it or leave it. I might shoot up occasionally at a party, or if I'm drinking with the guys from work, but that's about it.

[civilservant]

as I understand it:

you get someone to try it via a free sample

repeat until they're hooked, then reel them in

they become an assured source of income - until they drop dead

this is a classic marketing technique, that's also used to sell soap powder as well as heroin, although it's easier to change your mind later about the soap powder

it also works with cigarettes. Until quite recently, people started smoking as a result of marketing plus social pressure.

Society finally changed its mind about smoking because of kill-joy campaigners who were initially dismissed as lunatics. So the social pressure has eased off and the marketing is kept within tight bounds.

But the same has yet to happen with botox, collagen injections, cosmetic surgery, skin lighteners and all the rest of the toxic 'beauty' industry, before they join foot-binding and tight-lacing in the attic of history.

It's also worth thinking about what's happening with smoking i.e. the feminisation of smoking.

New smokers and regular young smokers are now more likely to be girls than boys. I've often come across schoolgirls lighting up, very likely because social/peer pressures in this group focus on 'cool'ness and body image, and are the same as the ones that lead them in time to take up cosmetic interventions.

[tracymcdavis]

That's the problem with heroin - it's very more-ish.

(Copyright Harry Hill)