Would you shoot a burglar

[maxxi]

Carter Wrote:

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> And there you go - beautiful compartmentilism.

>

> If you wish to own a gun = psychopath.

>

> Bugger the idea that you might be good at clay

> shooting and win the odd event. That you might

> enjoy shooting.

>

> And so that is why I "choose" to own a gun.

> Because I enjoy it, and happen to be fairly handy

> with it.

>

> It's kept in a wall, and floor drill mounted,

> hardended safe. Ammunition is kept in a seperate

> internal safe.

>

> The mechanics do not kill people.

>

> As said before, if someone invaded - I would,

> without question.

Wow, a genuine 'guns don't kill people' idiot right in out own back yard.

So you wake up having heard an intruder... and the intruder waits while you unlock your "wall, and floor drill mounted, hardended safe." and maybe sits awhile whilst you extract your ammo from the "seperate internal safe" and load your gun...

Or maybe you keep the gun loaded and by your side where you can get at it easily and quickly - and accidentally blow your kid's/partner's head off.

smart.

[woodrot]

Carter Wrote:

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> In fact, there is a beatitful simplicity of law -:

> don't invade, don't get shot.

>

> Plus, I would suppose that none of you have the

> means anyway. I.E. - guns in the house. If we were

> an armed society such as the Swiss then this would

> be a better question.

The Swiss have no need to burgle as they are as happy as Larry with their Nazi gold stashes and lie of beds made entirely of laundered dictator cash.

[Carter]

Wow, a genuine 'guns don't kill people' idiot right in out own back yard.

Absolutely.

I, in th UK, am not allowed to own a handgun in my bedside cabinet.

I am, however, allowed, to keep my shotgun in the safe subject to all UK laws.

The arguement is whether you would. Yes, I would.

Therefore MAXXI is a twat.

As to this -:

The Swiss have no need to burgle as they are as happy as Larry with their Nazi gold stashes and lie of beds made entirely of laundered dictator cash.

I am utterrly speechless.

[woodrot]

Just dont get me started on the Channel islanders

[Huguenot]

And so our hero, faced with a dinner party where the conversation was going against his right wing soundbites, lurched from his chair and announced that everyone was trespassing. 'fuck you burglars' he said as he gave them both barrels.

There's nothing so cut and dried as the scenario that trigger pillocks paint to justify their ownership of a firearm, there's nothing so messy and innocuous as the moments these daft prats actually pull out their penis extension and murder someone.

Suburban cowboys are obliged to keep gun and ammo in separate safes because people brighter than them know that if they have a gun in the house they are more likely to be murdered by it than actually defend themselves in a heroic TV moment.

[Huguenot]

Little 13 year old Timmy Jenkins was of Welsh mining stock, but spent most nights on his own whilst his mum did her shifts at Kings College.

Keen to get a sense of belonging, he reluctantly used to get dragged out to hang around on street corners with a small crowd of competitive teenagers.

Goaded by his new mates one night, he clambered through an open window and cast about for a worthless trophy.

The first barrel smeared his liver over the television and fireplace, as his face was still registering the shocking recognition that his teenage braggadocio was a capital crime, unbelieving that his heart was already dead, his splayed fingers desperately jerked out to scoop his flesh back inside his body.

As the life drained from his arms, his final thought was that he probably wouldn't get to hand in his Maths homework.

Suburban cowboy spattered his cheeks and nose across the floorboards with the second barrel.

There's never anything so straightforward than a gun nut and his justification.

[KidKruger]

Pretty crap shot if it took two cartridges to finish the thieving swine at close range.

Carter I thought you said you're an experienced clay pigeon shooter ?

[Huguenot]

Nah, he didn't need 2 barrels to finish him, he needed two barrels to satisfy his righteous anger by disembowelling a child ;-)

[Salsaboy]

I think that's enough now. This has turned from a question as to whether you would shoot a burglar into a personal attack on Carter which is not on. Show some respect for peoples opinions.

[Huguenot]

Sorry, I wasn't 'having a go', I was trying to present the reality of 'shooting burglars', which is actually about blindly implementing horrific and gory capital punishment upon people in circumstances which you cannot understand.

Do you know that most people who die of gunshot wounds drown in their own blood? A nasty choking, terrifying way to go.

'Shooting burglars' isn't about some heroic Pulp Fiction moment where you enact some biblical correction.

It's only sad people who talk about buying guns with 'stopping power'.

[Carter]

You want both barrels?

Tell you what, Huguenot - you assume I am a right wing gun nut who will happily shoot children simply because I own a shotgun, and I'll assume you are a sad, middle-aged hanger-on living in Singapore who distracts himself from the piss-poor beer and child prostitutes just enough to comment on a South-East London-centric forum like the creepy uncle who you cannot get rid of from the party.

Deal?

Ooooh, this is fun.

[Mick Mac]

You've done it now Carter :)

[Alan Medic]

If using a gun to defend your home and property and self is out of the question, what would be an acceptable means of defence given that the intruder may be bigger and stronger than you?

[TillieTrotter]

Anything you can get your hands on!

[Huguenot]

Eh? I don't have to assume you would shoot people Carter, you said you would. Twice.

All I've done is highlighted what a stupid thing this is to say.

Your rather silly tirade seems to be because you feel I've made you look foolish, the real thing to think about is whether it is in fact you who has made yourself look foolish?

I get it, you're the big man down the pub who boasts about shooting people. You think it makes you look big and clever, you think you're a straight talker who tells it as it is. You think people admire you for that, you think other people are weak because they wouldn't shoot people.

Daft.

[Huguenot]

Alan, I'm not saying that there is no situation in which using a firearm to defend yourself is inappropriate.

I will say that there were 63,000 burglaries in London in the last 12 months, and 96 homicides. None of the homicides seem to have taken place during burglaries.

Hence being burgled is not a life threatening situation, and consequently a capital punishment is completely and extraordinairily disporportionate.

We don't execute people for crime in the UK anymore, and that doesn't mean that you have the right to do it yourself whenever it suits you.

There is only any point in getting a gun out if you're going to use it, and using a gun entails the assumption that it can end in death.

So that's the fairly obvious side of it.

The other persepctive is simply that unless you're a psychotic, the only likely consequence of posessing a gun in your house is that it will be used on you, not that you will use it on others.

So from the point of view, getting involved with guns is just plain stupid.

[Jeremy]

Huguenot Wrote:

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> being burgled is not a life threatening situation

Exactly. If disturbed, a burglar will almost certainly run. They will want to get as far away as possible before the police arrive. They're not there to assault you or your family, you don't need to kill anyone to protect yourself - it would just be about revenge and bloodlust. (Although of course it's totally understandable that you might threaten them with whatever improvised weapon you might have to hand).

[computedshorty]

I was intending to shoot a Picture of the intruder to hand to the police to proove that he had intruded into my home,

But as he fired first, wiith his gun that he carried ( just in case he was discovered, but he had no intension of using it, and did not know it was loaded ).

You can visit me in hospital but be quick, I have a rare blood group, and they are a bit concerned should they use the valuable blood of this group on an octogenarian?

I'v had one visitor I asked him what was written on the board at the end of the bed, he said " Do not resuscitate " well he could not lie as he was the Padre.

The Police have told me he has put in a claim to have his blood stained clothes cleaned, I think he will be unsuccessful as I have left my personal effects to the RSPCA and they are against Blood sports.

[El Pibe]

I've been burgled by a balaclava clad man.

On noticing the occupants stirring he casually left the house before we had a chance to get our wits about us, though I suppose if I'd really wanted a confrontation I could have chased him down the street to try and corner him for a fight, you know, maybe escalated it to life or death for one of us with a kitchen knife.

I can't say I felt especially violated or threatened. He got away with a coat and a work laptop. The coat was long in the tooth but cancelling a couple of cards in the wallet was a minor inconvenience.

A bloody, painful death would have probably been a bit much as punishments went.

[woodrot]

they dont have thieves in Saudia Arabia do they ?

I for one welcome the imposition of shariah law in the UK

[El Pibe]

I actually think artillery is the best deterrent. If anyone is even thinking about stealing from me I'll shell the entire neighberhood they come from.

[Alan Medic]

Huguenot Wrote:

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> Alan, I'm not saying that there is no situation in

> which using a firearm to defend yourself is

> inappropriate.

>

I wasn't questioning your stance on firearms H. I was wondering what people would do to defend themselves/their property without the use of a gun? For example, would you hit someone with a hammer if you got close enough to them and had one handy? That could cause a fatality.

I don't think I could use any weapon against someone unless my life was in danger. But if it was I would use anything at my disposal.

[Huguenot]

Yeah, I guess so.

I think I would have real difficulties using a weapon on someone with intent, but defensively I'm guessing I'd use whatever was there.

[Ridgley]

It?s really hard to say what you would do, depends how threatened you feel.

[Mick Mac]

Ridgley Wrote:

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> It?s really hard to say what you would do, depends

> how threatened you feel.

Exactly - and if you have not been in the situation before, its very difficult to say how you'd react, or what you might do. The animal might come out !