Melbourne Grove South Barrier

[mockingbird]

If you get rebuffed by Southwark for an FOI request and told to resubmit ? refuse! Quote the ICO guidance that gives them leeway on timeframes but not the right to refuse your FOI. Ask for a reference number for your submission:

https://ico.org.uk/media/about-the-ico/policies-and-procedures/2617613/ico-regulatory-approach-during-coronavirus.pdf

Extract from ICO guidance below and the reminder to Counciles that they need to have proper record keeping :

Freedom of Information Act and Environmental Information Regulations:

This unique crisis has required quick decision making and innovative uses of data, including geolocation and geospatial information. There has been, and will continue to be, intense public interest in understanding how and why decisions were taken and how information was used.

V2.0 15 April 2020

5 We will take an empathetic and pragmatic approach to our role regulating access to information regulation, recognising the importance of transparency, especially where people have seen their civil liberties impacted.

We recognise that the reduction in organisations? resources could impact their ability to comply with aspects of freedom of information law, such as how quickly FOI requests are handled, but we expect appropriate measures to still be taken to record decision making, so that information is available at the conclusion of the emergency.

We do not expect this will impact on the ability to take and progress actions that are necessary.

1. We will continue to accept new information access complaints. We will take a pragmatic approach to resolving these complaints, keeping engagement with the public authority to a minimum and being guided by them as to whether they are able to respond to our requests or require more time to do so.

2. We will recognise that the reduction in organisations? resources could impact their ability to respond to access requests or address backlogs, where they need to prioritise other work due to the current crisis. Organisations should recognise the public interest in transparency and seek as far as possible to continue to comply with their obligations for particularly high-risk or high profile matters. 3. We understand that there may be extreme circumstances where public authorities have no option but to temporarily reduce or suspend elements of their information access function.

4. We encourage public authorities to proactively publish information they know will be of importance to their communities.

5. We will continue to emphasise and support the importance of proper record keeping during a period of time

[snowy]

Rockets Wrote:

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> According to a Onedulwich.uk update sent tonight

> the emergency orders have been approved and the

> Dulwich Village barriers will be installed within

> 9 days. I presume all the others in Melbourne

> Grove and Goodrich will all go in then as well.

>

> I suggest anyone who is dismayed with the way the

> council are handling this registers at

> https://www.onedulwich.uk so we can approach this

> as one community.

>

> Interesting to read on that site that the reason

> the council are using the emergency orders and

> trying to spin this as a response to Covid is

> because they have been told by TFL that the

> Healthy Streets initiative can no longer be funded

> due to the financial challenges TFL now has due to

> the deal they had to strike with the Tories to get

> emergency funding - so this is a desperate last

> ditch attempt to railroad their plans through.

Or it?s the Department of Transport Emergency Active Travel Fund that?s investing ?2bn across the UK

[northernmonkey]

Oh come on @snowy - where's the fun in that response? Haven't you learnt that its all a massive conspiracy?

[Serena2012]

The verdict is in (for the next 18 months at least): https://www.southwark.gov.uk/transport-and-roads/improving-our-streets/live-projects/our-healthy-streets/our-healthy-streets-dulwich

[first mate]

Dear Southwark resident,

Experimental transport measures in East Dulwich

The Covid-19 pandemic has required us to introduce measures that fundamentally alter people?s travel patterns and the ways in which we use Southwark?s streets and spaces. Across Southwark, we are taking action to fast-track a variety of transport measures that support increased walking and cycling, allow social distancing, improve perception of air pollution exposure, and prevent motor vehicle traffic levels from rising.

The Melbourne Grove area has been identified as a priority, as it receives a very high volume of through traffic. ?Our Healthy Streets ? Dulwich? engagement project has identified a number of interventions with broad local support. We have adapted some of these to develop interventions that can be installed quickly and trialled to provide safer routes through the area for socially distanced, active travel.

These are experimental measures ? we will be required to conduct full public consultation before these are made permanent, and within eighteen months from installation. The measures are flexible as the experimental nature of the trial allows us to make amendments and changes within the first six months. An option will of course be to return the highway arrangements to the original state if the trial is not deemed to be successful.

We will be monitoring the impact of these changes throughout that period, using counts of motor vehicles, pedestrians and cyclists. In addition, we are inviting residents to let us know about the impact on the streets they use ? whether positive or negative ? on the feedback map at https//:eastdulwichstreetspace.commonplace.is. You are also able to sign up there for regular updates on this project. The site will be live once the measures have been installed.

Cllr. Richard Livingstone

Cabinet Member for Environment, Transport and the Climate Emergency

[email protected] Date: 19 June 2020

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These are unprecedented times ? in collaboration with central government and Transport for London we are taking these urgent steps to ensure the health and safety of our residents. We remain committed to working with you to ensure that all the measures we take work for local people and contribute to enhanced quality of life both at this difficult time and in the future.

Yours faithfully,

Cllr. Richard Livingstone

Cabinet Member for Environment, Transport and the Climate Emergency

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[first mate]

Note use of weasle-words and phrases like

?improve perception of air pollution? (no proof of actual improvement necessary)

?broad support? (not a majority then).

[ed_pete]

"if the trial is not deemed to be successful." ...and the success criteria are ???

[Rockets]

Have they expanded the closures on Melbourne Grove as they now refer to it as "a closure to all motor traffic on Melbourne Grove, south of Tell Grove" - which suggests no vehicles will be able to gain access to the whole section of Melbourne Grove or is it just badly worded?

Also, the fact they have left the Healthy Streets map in place does this mean that they will also be pressing ahead with the closure of Eynella and the expansion of the CPZ to areas B and C under this plan too?

The communication from the council has been appalling - deliberately confusing and unclear - and I am interested to see that Comrade McAsh is keeping a very-low profile nowadays and now seemingly applies a controversy-filter to anything he responds to and avoids any questions he doesn't see fit to answer.

The sooner we get a chance to vote on whether we want this rabble in control locally the better - it seems the Labour party haven't learnt anything from the election and the sooner Keir Starmer gets to grips with rooting the far-left out of the party at all levels the sooner they will have the chance to start earning the respect of the electorate once again.

[1921]

As this barrier is to do with social distancing, then surely the situation has changed with todays announcement that the distance can be reduced and this is no longer justifiable.

[rupert james]

"Sadiq Khan admits he has 'not been providing proper leadership' as Mayor of London because of bouts of 'loneliness' during lockdown as he opens up on his mental health 'struggle'

Sadiq Khan opened up about his mental health struggles amid Covid lockdown

London Mayor said there were days 'when I'm not providing proper leadership'

Mr Khan said he has 'no doubt' the lockdown affected his mental health"

Mail on Sunday.

Perhap he could be removed legally as by his own admission he has not been up tp the job and Southwark should not follow any actions he has laid down as law.

Just a thought

[EDguy89]

Rockets Wrote:

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> Have they expanded the closures on Melbourne Grove

> as they now refer to it as "a closure to all motor

> traffic on Melbourne Grove, south of Tell Grove" -

> which suggests no vehicles will be able to gain

> access to the whole section of Melbourne Grove or

> is it just badly worded?

>

> Also, the fact they have left the Healthy Streets

> map in place does this mean that they will also be

> pressing ahead with the closure of Eynella and the

> expansion of the CPZ to areas B and C under this

> plan too?

>

> The communication from the council has been

> appalling - deliberately confusing and unclear -

> and I am interested to see that Comrade McAsh is

> keeping a very-low profile nowadays and now

> seemingly applies a controversy-filter to anything

> he responds to and avoids any questions he doesn't

> see fit to answer.

>

> The sooner we get a chance to vote on whether we

> want this rabble in control locally the better -

> it seems the Labour party haven't learnt anything

> from the election and the sooner Keir Starmer gets

> to grips with rooting the far-left out of the

> party at all levels the sooner they will have the

> chance to start earning the respect of the

> electorate once again.

https://www.southwark.gov.uk/transport-and-roads/improving-our-streets/live-projects/our-healthy-streets/our-healthy-streets-dulwich

The hyperlink to the PDF file entitled "Melbourne Grove" has a map that shows exactly where the barrier will be placed.

Looks like vehicles won't be able to get access to Melbourne Grove from East Dulwich Grove.

[dulwichfolk]

I like how the map hides/doesn't show Matham Grove...as if no one will now use that road if wanting to travel south on Lordship Lane...

[Abe_froeman]

It's much easier to distance yourself from others in a car than it is on foot or a bike

[exdulwicher]

It's much easier to distance yourself from others in a car than it is on foot or a bike

But then you can't fit as many people on the road. And we're back at the beginning with the fact that there is not enough road space to accommodate the current number of cars, never mind if all bus / rail passengers leave public transport and get into their cars.

[first mate]

Except, exdulwicher, I really do think this will become a drop off point for parents driving their children to school.

Let?s wait and see but I still fear the real council motive behind the barrier is to hasten CPZ expansion not to reduce cars, though there might be some reduction. However, don?t you find it a little odd that within the blocked zone they are also putting in double yellows to facilitate cars going up and turning around? Surely a couple of well placed road signs would make this unnecessary? However, parents dropping kids off to school will be able to do so with relative ease.

[exdulwicher]

However, parents dropping kids off to school will be able to do so with relative ease.

Agree with everything you say F.M. That's the part that needs removing, the parents driving right up to the school gates to drop their little darling off (and it's the same at JAGS, Alleyns, Hamlet etc). A significant part of the congestion around the Townley Road / EDG junction is exactly that, people driving all the way along Calton/EDG/Townley to drop the kids right at the school gate rather than 200m away. Suspect you're right with Melbourne as well, the road risks becoming a 2-way jam of 4x4's all going up, turning round and coming out again...

[first mate]

And alas, I think certain stakeholders have been well and truly hoodwinked and used. Some are saying the same about councillors.

You don?t put in double yellows as a short term measure to allow cars to turn until word gets round- road signs do that job. No, Cllr Livingtone knows full well that car delivery of children will not cease as many come from too far away. This is a designed in Charter school drop off.

[Abe_froeman]

Does the Charter School have onsite parking for teachers, like so many of the other schools round here do?

[Rockets]

EDguy89 Wrote:

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> Rockets Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Have they expanded the closures on Melbourne

> Grove

> > as they now refer to it as "a closure to all

> motor

> > traffic on Melbourne Grove, south of Tell Grove"

> -

> > which suggests no vehicles will be able to gain

> > access to the whole section of Melbourne Grove

> or

> > is it just badly worded?

> >

> > Also, the fact they have left the Healthy

> Streets

> > map in place does this mean that they will also

> be

> > pressing ahead with the closure of Eynella and

> the

> > expansion of the CPZ to areas B and C under

> this

> > plan too?

> >

> > The communication from the council has been

> > appalling - deliberately confusing and unclear

> -

> > and I am interested to see that Comrade McAsh

> is

> > keeping a very-low profile nowadays and now

> > seemingly applies a controversy-filter to

> anything

> > he responds to and avoids any questions he

> doesn't

> > see fit to answer.

> >

> > The sooner we get a chance to vote on whether

> we

> > want this rabble in control locally the better

> -

> > it seems the Labour party haven't learnt

> anything

> > from the election and the sooner Keir Starmer

> gets

> > to grips with rooting the far-left out of the

> > party at all levels the sooner they will have

> the

> > chance to start earning the respect of the

> > electorate once again.

>

> https://www.southwark.gov.uk/transport-and-roads/i

> mproving-our-streets/live-projects/our-healthy-str

> eets/our-healthy-streets-dulwich

>

> The hyperlink to the PDF file entitled "Melbourne

> Grove" has a map that shows exactly where the

> barrier will be placed.

>

> Looks like vehicles won't be able to get access to

> Melbourne Grove from East Dulwich Grove.

Ah ha, so it isn't a closure to traffic as the council's note suggests but a closure to traffic trying to use Melbourne Grove from East Dulwich Grove - the closure to all traffic was probably wishful thinking on behalf of the council!

[ed_pete]

I'm not given to conspiracy theories but you do end up thinking that someone in that section of Melbourne Grove must really have the Councils ear. They avoided being the CPZ in apite of being closer to the Health Centre and Station than some roads are in the CPZ and now they got a barrier to keep the traffic out. Special treatment ? Who knows.

[creditwheredue]

Am I missing something here? Surely the closure of Melbourne is to stop rat running once Townley and Eynella/Court Lane are also closed. As a resident living off of Melbourne this was something I wanted once I found out about the other roads.

[intexasatthe moment]

ed_pete ,it does seem odd doesn't it ?

[Abe_froeman]

What you are missing is that Townley Road, Eynella Road and Court lane are not being turned into gated communities.

[Abe_froeman]

and "rat running" is quite an ignorant phrase. If someone lives in Ashbourne Grove and needs to use their car to get to and from herne hill they still have to rat run, it's just that they will now have to rat run down lordship lane on the way out and along Matham Grove on the way home.

Normal people call this driving rather than "rat running"

[Chunx]

I do not agree with closing off any roads. This disadvantages those whose only mode of transport Is private car for health reasons. Now with covid everyone is discouraged from use of public transport, which will inevitably mean more motorised vehicle use = more congestion, hence all road restrictions should be removed. IMO