Incidents on Peckham Rye

[ydrmdy]

well, I certainly wouldn't stand there and lecture him. I think that would be a bit patronizing for someone feeling this way and maybe upset him further.

[JohnL]

ydrmdy Wrote:

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> well, I certainly wouldn't stand there and lecture

> him. I think that would be a bit patronizing

> for someone feeling this way and maybe upset him

> further.

Maybe lecture was the wrong word - I'd try to ask something open ended about how he felt and hope for a long answer. of course some depends on my mood and state of mind too (as it's not just him that has different moods) - if I was walking home from the pub I might just talk rubbish.

I'd also stay well out of attack range.

[tedfudge]

If someone is making 2 young girls cry and scared and threatening them with a bike chain I for one will not stand by or say excuse me sir but your doing wrong do mind awfully leaving those girls alone.. how do you think those poor girls felt at the time and the other women on here who have reported it.. bet if it was a member of your family you would be angry and react the same way and want to give the person a smack..

[ydrmdy]

Be careful, I did see police patrolling in the park today, they were looking in the woody areas.

Keep safe.

[Dan-the-man]

If you are able to safely get video footage (i.e. where he can't see you, or if you think you can outrun him if necessary), that could be an idea in order to show police clear evidence. Police are heavily over-stretched so in fairness to them it's hard for them to really carry out extensive investigations.

Try and remember to actually press the recording button though....

I was attacked in Peckham Rye Park in late 2018 (not this guy - the perpetrator was a white thug) and whilst sprinting away tried to get video footage. When police came to the park and checked my phone, there was no footage. I'd simply been holding my phone in the air on camera mode without it capturing anything. Slightly embarrassing and very, very frustrating...

There was no CCTV in the park (I've checked with park authorities), so the guy got away with it.

[JohnL]

tedfudge Wrote:

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> If someone is making 2 young girls cry and scared

> and threatening them with a bike chain I for one

> will not stand by or say excuse me sir but your

> doing wrong do mind awfully leaving those girls

> alone.. how do you think those poor girls felt at

> the time and the other women on here who have

> reported it.. bet if it was a member of your

> family you would be angry and react the same way

> and want to give the person a smack..

I don't think I have the physical presence for that. As M says above maybe a need to evaluate the situation and look around. It might even be good to appear friendly to give any victim time to get away.

[tedfudge]

@JohnL

I would approach friendly towards the victim first to try end escort away from danger or the scene but if no choice I would be using force no question as I would then be very concerned if the person did not leave and started to follow etc..

And I would get the victim to be calling the police at the same time...

[alice]

Southwark news has an update. Doesn?t sound like guy from way back as young teen 5?2/4

[tedfudge]

I'm with you @dulwichdadio

People would change their mind about using force if it was happening to them or a member of their family... I've intervened in things like this before. I was about 15 at the time I was walking my uncles dog and going to shop to get him something when a woman ran into middle of the road holding a baby while her husband was punching her in the face and cars were driving past doing nothing and people queuing outside shop as it was about midnight in forest hill and did nothing so i asked 3 ladies who just pulled up to hold my dog because grown men stood by and did nothing so I ran upto him and attacked him

The police came and sent dogs a helicopter etc to search for him as the coward ran off and the police took my statement I asked If I was going to be arrested for assault they said no definitely not you was protecting a woman and a baby and used reasonable and necessary force.. so bottom line I would do it again with no hesitation. I'm sure the do gooders on here moaning wouldn't mind me or dulwichdadio stepping in and protecting them or their loved ones if this happend..

[malumbu]

Ted, you sound like a thug. Please give me your description so I know to avoid you. Are you Palace or Millwall? Again useful to know for when the grounds are open again.

I too have stories about intervening in similar situations. But I managed to calm things down without having to hit anyone. Although there is the danger that both parties then turn on you.....

[tedfudge]

Not a thug Malumbu just someone who would help someone who is distressed and feeling threatened I dont like bullies and people that pick on kids and women does not make me a thug.

And I'm a Tottenham fan.

[Chick]

There's a lot of Testosterone flying around.

[AylwardS]

There is another thread that?s just been started about a man exposing himself to young girls in the park. Unfortunately there are people who threaten and attack others but they are a minority. Its just that their actions upset others.

If you know of anyone who might go to the park and be approached by this man a couple of things I was once told at a self defence class years ago which have stuck with me might be worth them thinking about - if they can.

Shout out ?Help officer? - the article about the man exposing himself to girls says police patrols have been increased so there could well be one around. If nothing else the distraction could give them time to get away / to somewhere with more people.

Ask someone for help but identify them - lady in the blue coat. People find it harder to ignore if you are clearly speaking to them and they are unlikely to know the name of the person they can see in the park.

[Blah Blah]

The thing to say about certain mental health conditions is that only a trained professional can fully assess if someone poses a risk or not. This is very hard for a member of the public to assess, let alone someone being subjected to abuse and potentially already feeling afraid or intimidated. So personal safety must always come first, followed by reporting to the Police.

There is also a free app called 'Hollie Guard' which can be used as a personal alarm, that also starts your phone video and audio recording automatically. It can also be used to track your journey etc. Primarily aimed at women but I can't see why anyone wouldn't find this useful as a security device.

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

Chick Wrote:

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> There's a lot of Testosterone flying around.

Agreed. A lot of internet hard men whose Charles Bronson fantasies don't actually help anything.

[malumbu]

Went on some personal security/safeguarding training when working on the Olympics - Pudding Mill Lane DLR station is in a dark alley and 12 years ago few people around. As construction was 24/7 there were a lot of comings and goings in the wee hours. We were taught on how to avoid risk, rather than punch our way out of it. More relevant was that we were handed out rape alarms - maybe this what your mobile can do now, but it was one hell of a deterrent. Most on the course were hairy arsed builders but I don't recall any talking about punching anyone's light out.

[Jellybeanz]

I wonder if these incidents are linked to the arrest of the Met officer suspected of exposure and possible murder in Brixton after woman's disappearance.

So frightening.

[alice]

shouldnt think so the boy on peckham rye was said to be about 13 years old.

[bobbly]

Havnt had time to go I would say if you see someone who is a threat to themselves or others and is clearly mentally ill the best thing to do is to call the ambulance who will administer medication. There is little or no support for the mentally ill. All too often they end up incarcerated for their behaviour rather than medicated for it. It is comforting to see see that some of you recognise mental illness, the issue is what do we do about it when we see it. And no the answer isn't to beat the mentally ill. Nor is it to condone police brutality. The mentally ill are already underserved. God help you if you become mentally ill. It's the most misunderstood illbess in society and the most overt represented in prisons.

[binkylilyput]

While much of this is correct and I agree, an ambulance would not respond on their own if a person is suspected of being aggressive. The police and ambulance service work together to take the person to a safe place where they will be assessed. An ambulance won?t just turn up and start medicating somebody.

bobbly Wrote:

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> Havnt had time to go I would say if you see

> someone who is a threat to themselves or others

> and is clearly mentally ill the best thing to do

> is to call the ambulance who will administer

> medication. There is little or no support for the

> mentally ill. All too often they end up

> incarcerated for their behaviour rather than

> medicated for it. It is comforting to see see

> that some of you recognise mental illness, the

> issue is what do we do about it when we see it.

> And no the answer isn't to beat the mentally ill.

> Nor is it to condone police brutality. The

> mentally ill are already underserved. God help you

> if you become mentally ill. It's the most

> misunderstood illbess in society and the most

> overt represented in prisons.

[bobbly]

That's true, which is why they should both be called rather than just the police as the police wont know how to deal with him. Both need each others support.

[Earl Aelfheah]

I'm certainly not built for violence, nor do I have the disposition. I would always do everything possible to avoid getting into any kind of physical altercation. But it's not unreasonable for someone to step in where an individual is under serious threat. Obviously, one has to assess the risk, but you sometimes have to be an active bystander. There is a lack of solidarity / collective care which I regret. No one should be able to attack a women with a baby in public, unchallenged by those just watching on (or usually worse - filming it on their phone).

[tedfudge]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> I'm certainly not built for violence, nor do I

> have the disposition. I would always do everything

> possible to avoid getting into any kind of

> physical altercation. But it's not unreasonable

> for someone to step in where an individual is

> under serious threat. Obviously, one has to assess

> the risk, but you sometimes have to be an active

> bystander. There is a lack of solidarity /

> collective care which I regret. No one should be

> able to attack a women with a baby in public,

> unchallenged by those just watching on (or usually

> worse - filming it on their phone).

Totally agree