Football in the park

[Mountain walker]

We have just been for a daily walk. Saw a full on game or perhaps training session in Peckham Rye Park. Contact tackling etc, at least 20 players in training bibs, others watching.I am sure this is against all Covid19 advice and guidance. Presumably whoever organised this doesn't care.No sign of police. Have the authorities given up on social distancing? I don't want to be a killjoy but this felt irresponsible.

[snoopy17]

mabey they are from same household?

[edcam]

Idiots. This government has a lot to answer for with their wishy-washy "advice". Plus - so many people are stupid.

[Blah Blah]

What bothers me about the government strategy, is easing lockdown before they have an intensive test, track and trace system in place. By the time we get to that, the virus could already be on its way to another peak. We also need to understand why BAME people are disproportionately impacted. It is very easy for the public to have a false sense of security while that curve is flattened but if that R number rises above 1 again, we'll be back in lockdown. On enforcement, we just do not have enough police officers and wardens etc to do that effectively.

[dimples]

No it?s not allowed .

Only one person is allowed to meet one other from another household outside at a distance !

[Renata Hamvas]

Definitely not allowed! Please Mountain walker, could you email me any details you can, where, what time, age of players etc so that we can try and identify whether it is one of the clubs that usually use the park to play. my details are below thanks Renata

[seenbeen]

Anyone who went out for their daily exercise to Alleyns' Field or Dulwich Park at any time since the so-called (because many people have NOT adhered to it) lockdown would have seen several football sessions going on. In fact several weeks ago on Alleyns' field a man was trying to encourage people to join him and his mate in a game...a couple did before I'd left.

Also, on Sunday, late afternoon, in Dulwich Park, there was a large crowd near the Court Lane gates sitting on the grass, not social distancing.

The government have no control over these people who endanger their own lives and those of others and thereby threaten the resilience of the NHS- short of employing military tactics -so they had no choice but to ease the lockdown- it had already eased itself to a large extent.

Also given the amount of spitting attacks on front line staff, there are people who are out to deliberately infect others.

[bubbachumps]

I'e just come back from Peckham Rye park and was surprised how many parents/carers of children are meeting up with others - I saw several groups of multiple adults/children with no social distancing going on whatsoever. Children all freely mixing and playing together.

[Nigello]

Rensta, please ask your colleagues to deploy police etc. I?ve seen them - in pairs, naturally - on the very quiet Dawson?s Hill so they are around.

[keano77]

Renata Hamvas Wrote:

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> Definitely not allowed! Please Mountain walker,

> could you email me any details you can, where,

> what time, age of players etc so that we can try

> and identify whether it is one of the clubs that

> usually use the park to play. my details are below

> thanks Renata

Renata, you say it is definitely not allowed. But to my knowledge you are wrong on this. There is no law to say how many people can gather and no law to say you have to keep 2 metres apart.

These are all recommendations for our own good and while infringements to Liberty we hope people will willingly accept them given the pandemic.

I mention this because people complaining about this that and the other seem confused on the various threads. Lord Sumption has been explaining this well on the news programmes and it is why most of the police arrests we?ve been hearing about cannot be prosecuted as no law or laws have been broken.

[PnB]

I've noticed large groups of men drinking and socialising outside a Nigerian sounding restaurant by Lidl in Peckham, opposite Burger King. This has been going on for weeks every time the sun is out. When they hear a Police car approach they all cunningly move 2 meters away from each other.

Then people wonder why the Queens Road Peckham area has the most deaths in the borough- 15 as of 2 weeks ago, now probably higher.

[seenbeen]

edcam Wrote:

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> Idiots. This government has a lot to answer for

> with their wishy-washy "advice". Plus - so many

> people are stupid.

The advice is quite clear- there is a hard core of people who ignore it. I've just seen 10 teenagers playing footie in Alleyn's Field 8 BAME and 2 white kids...no social distancing and close tackling.

Also a woman with 2 kids turned up there and the kids - 7 and 5 ish run straight up to some other children there- so all the nonsense about not sending kids to school is a joke...anyway plenty of kids are at school as their parents are key workers who would be the most likely to pass infection on...

[JohnL]

keano77 Wrote:

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> Renata Hamvas Wrote:

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> > Definitely not allowed! Please Mountain walker,

> > could you email me any details you can, where,

> > what time, age of players etc so that we can

> try

> > and identify whether it is one of the clubs

> that

> > usually use the park to play. my details are

> below

> > thanks Renata

>

> Renata, you say it is definitely not allowed. But

> to my knowledge you are wrong on this. There is no

> law to say how many people can gather and no law

> to say you have to keep 2 metres apart.

>

> These are all recommendations for our own good and

> while infringements to Liberty we hope people will

> willingly accept them given the pandemic.

>

> I mention this because people complaining about

> this that and the other seem confused on the

> various threads. Lord Sumption has been explaining

> this well on the news programmes and it is why

> most of the police arrests we?ve been hearing

> about cannot be prosecuted as no law or laws have

> been broken.

I know there's confusion especially as the police seem to have wrongly charged - but I guess that's a technicality.

"5. Public gatherings

To ensure people are social distancing, the government has prohibited by law all public gatherings of more than two people, except for reasons set out in the regulations. These include:"

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/staying-alert-and-safe-social-distancing/staying-alert-and-safe-social-distancing and http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/350/2020-05-13

Mind these superseded the ones below on 1 may - so maybe police do now have law and didn't below (a total guess that when Pritti Patel relaxed the regulations she tightened up the loopholes LOL)

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-guidance-on-social-distancing-and-for-vulnerable-people/guidance-on-social-distancing-for-everyone-in-the-uk-and-protecting-older-people-and-vulnerable-adults

Edit: I note how this phrase was added to every paragraph later "Commencement Information I1 Reg. 1 in force at made date at 1.00 p.m., see reg. 1(1)" - only a lawyer could understand what that means ?

[seenbeen]

Way to go China

[JohnL]

We had Piers Corbyn arrested here but British Police walked him away from Hyde Park :)

[Kiajag]

Do we need to know the BAME/white ratios when discussing teenagers playing football in the park?

seenbeen Wrote:

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> edcam Wrote:

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> > Idiots. This government has a lot to answer

> for

> > with their wishy-washy "advice". Plus - so

> many

> > people are stupid.

>

> The advice is quite clear- there is a hard core of

> people who ignore it. I've just seen 10 teenagers

> playing footie in Alleyn's Field 8 BAME and 2

> white kids...no social distancing and close

> tackling.

> Also a woman with 2 kids turned up there and the

> kids - 7 and 5 ish run straight up to some other

> children there- so all the nonsense about not

> sending kids to school is a joke...anyway plenty

> of kids are at school as their parents are key

> workers who would be the most likely to pass

> infection on...

[lindylou]

Kiajag Wrote:

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> Do we need to know the BAME/white ratios when

> discussing teenagers playing football in the

> park?

>

> seenbeen Wrote:

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> > edcam Wrote:

> >

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> > -----

> > > Idiots. This government has a lot to answer

> > for

> > > with their wishy-washy "advice". Plus - so

> > many

> > > people are stupid.

> >

> > The advice is quite clear- there is a hard core

> of

> > people who ignore it. I've just seen 10

> teenagers

> > playing footie in Alleyn's Field 8 BAME and 2

> > white kids...no social distancing and close

> > tackling.

> > Also a woman with 2 kids turned up there and

> the

> > kids - 7 and 5 ish run straight up to some

> other

> > children there- so all the nonsense about not

> > sending kids to school is a joke...anyway

> plenty

> > of kids are at school as their parents are key

> > workers who would be the most likely to pass

> > infection on...

Yes we do need to know the ratio of BAME to white. Southwark has one of the highest death rates of COVID19, and Peckham being the highest. It's useless having an expensive enquiry into why BAME have a higher rate of death unless we understand why. Please take a walk along Peckham high street/rye lane. I can't imagine you've done that. If not, before you comment, go and have a look at the facts.

[pk]

lindylou Wrote:

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> Yes we do need to know the ratio of BAME to white.

> Southwark has one of the highest death rates of

> COVID19, and Peckham being the highest. It's

> useless having an expensive enquiry into why BAME

> have a higher rate of death unless we understand

> why. Please take a walk along Peckham high

> street/rye lane. I can't imagine you've done that.

> If not, before you comment, go and have a look at

> the facts.

what facts are you talking about? what is it that you want people to see in Peckham?

[KidKruger]

pk - I think lindlylou is referencing the collective lack of self-distancing evident around Rye Lane/High St.

It's certainly the case, I shop there every few days and it's noticeable (if you're trying to take precautions for yourself).

To be fair though, I wouldn't say Lordship Lane is the shining example of how to distance either, people acting clueless there too !

[pk]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> pk - I think lindlylou is referencing the

> collective lack of self-distancing evident around

> Rye Lane/High St.

> It's certainly the case, I shop there every few

> days and it's noticeable (if you're trying to take

> precautions for yourself).

> To be fair though, I wouldn't say Lordship Lane is

> the shining example of how to distance either,

> people acting clueless there too !

so both ED and Peckham are bad

but the BAME people are the worst? is that the 'fact' that she's getting at?

[lindylou]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> pk - I think lindlylou is referencing the

> collective lack of self-distancing evident around

> Rye Lane/High St.

> It's certainly the case, I shop there every few

> days and it's noticeable (if you're trying to take

> precautions for yourself).

> To be fair though, I wouldn't say Lordship Lane is

> the shining example of how to distance either,

> people acting clueless there too !

Thank you KidKruger. My post was in no way racist but why do certain members of society think this disease won't affect then? And yes, I am concerned that the incidence is higher in the BAME society. That said, if I were a BAME, I sure as hell would be looking after myself and my family.

[lindylou]

pk Wrote:

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> KidKruger Wrote:

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> > pk - I think lindlylou is referencing the

> > collective lack of self-distancing evident

> around

> > Rye Lane/High St.

> > It's certainly the case, I shop there every few

> > days and it's noticeable (if you're trying to

> take

> > precautions for yourself).

> > To be fair though, I wouldn't say Lordship Lane

> is

> > the shining example of how to distance either,

> > people acting clueless there too !

>

>

> so both ED and Peckham are bad

>

> but the BAME people are the worst? is that the

> 'fact' that she's getting at?

[Kiajag]

lindylou Wrote:

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> Kiajag Wrote:

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> > Do we need to know the BAME/white ratios when

> > discussing teenagers playing football in the

> > park?

> >

> > seenbeen Wrote:

> >

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>

> > -----

> > > edcam Wrote:

> > >

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> >

> > > -----

> > > > Idiots. This government has a lot to

> answer

> > > for

> > > > with their wishy-washy "advice". Plus - so

> > > many

> > > > people are stupid.

> > >

> > > The advice is quite clear- there is a hard

> core

> > of

> > > people who ignore it. I've just seen 10

> > teenagers

> > > playing footie in Alleyn's Field 8 BAME and 2

> > > white kids...no social distancing and close

> > > tackling.

> > > Also a woman with 2 kids turned up there and

> > the

> > > kids - 7 and 5 ish run straight up to some

> > other

> > > children there- so all the nonsense about not

> > > sending kids to school is a joke...anyway

> > plenty

> > > of kids are at school as their parents are

> key

> > > workers who would be the most likely to pass

> > > infection on...

>

>

> Yes we do need to know the ratio of BAME to white.

> Southwark has one of the highest death rates of

> COVID19, and Peckham being the highest. It's

> useless having an expensive enquiry into why BAME

> have a higher rate of death unless we understand

> why. Please take a walk along Peckham high

> street/rye lane. I can't imagine you've done that.

> If not, before you comment, go and have a look at

> the facts.

So by this logic whenever talking about groups of people congregating or breaking social distancing rules we should not only outline the number of people but also highlight the specific racial breakdown of said group? E.g. Bbq at xx location spotted, around twenty individuals, 75% BAME. Should we also try to ascertain whether the white proportion are from the likes of Italy, Spain or the the US too, or do I need to walk down Rome high-street as well?

[lindylou]

Kiajag Wrote:

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> > Kiajag Wrote:

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> > > Do we need to know the BAME/white ratios when

> > > discussing teenagers playing football in the

> > > park?

> > >

> > > seenbeen Wrote:

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> > > > edcam Wrote:

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> > > > -----

> > > > > Idiots. This government has a lot to

> > answer

> > > > for

> > > > > with their wishy-washy "advice". Plus -

> so

> > > > many

> > > > > people are stupid.

> > > >

> > > > The advice is quite clear- there is a hard

> > core

> > > of

> > > > people who ignore it. I've just seen 10

> > > teenagers

> > > > playing footie in Alleyn's Field 8 BAME and

> 2

> > > > white kids...no social distancing and close

> > > > tackling.

> > > > Also a woman with 2 kids turned up there

> and

> > > the

> > > > kids - 7 and 5 ish run straight up to some

> > > other

> > > > children there- so all the nonsense about

> not

> > > > sending kids to school is a joke...anyway

> > > plenty

> > > > of kids are at school as their parents are

> > key

> > > > workers who would be the most likely to

> pass

> > > > infection on...

> >

> >

> > Yes we do need to know the ratio of BAME to

> white.

> > Southwark has one of the highest death rates of

> > COVID19, and Peckham being the highest. It's

> > useless having an expensive enquiry into why

> BAME

> > have a higher rate of death unless we

> understand

> > why. Please take a walk along Peckham high

> > street/rye lane. I can't imagine you've done

> that.

> > If not, before you comment, go and have a look

> at

> > the facts.

>

>

>

> So by this logic whenever talking about groups of

> people congregating or breaking social distancing

> rules we should not only outline the number of

> people but also highlight the specific racial

> breakdown of said group? E.g. Bbq at xx location

> spotted, around twenty individuals, 75% BAME.

> Should we also try to ascertain whether the white

> proportion are from the likes of Italy, Spain or

> the the US too, or do I need to walk down Rome

> high-street as well?

For goodness sake. Open your eyes. As I've said before. Take a walk, or a huffing puffing jog to Rye Lane/Peckham high street then, and only then, can you post an opinion. When we're you there? What time? What did you.notice. Answer: I havent been there. Why would I. I'm fine thanks. Why would I ever walk around there? Sums most of you up. Peckham is wonderful, but I wouldn't go there, God forbi. Edited to day the only reason I went there was to go to NatWest Bank. No social distancing in the queue. I stood in the road and asked someone to save my place. The social distancing was less than one metre.

[KidKruger]

lindylou - it's easy (and lazy) for people to call grave insults on people over the internet as I'm sure you know (seeing as you're experiencing it !).

I'm also concerned that some groups of the population are experiencing higher than average infection (not sure about deaths, but assume it's same proportion for all group ?). Reasons are surely attitude, awareness, social pressure and cultural.